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17-06-2015, 15:21
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
I have been on boats with Staterooms.
I always find it difficult to call any cabin a stateroom after seeing these.
The first pic is the Captains Stateroom on the Titanic. I think its fair to say that it doesnt look like this now........
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17-06-2015, 15:28
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Originally Posted by weavis
I have been on boats with Staterooms.
I always find it difficult to call any cabin a stateroom after seeing these.
The first pic is the Captains Stateroom on the Titanic. I think its fair to say that it doesnt look like this now........
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Yup, definitely no "staterooms" on that nice ol' boat of mine. 
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17-06-2015, 17:01
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Originally Posted by weavis
I have been on boats with Staterooms.
I always find it difficult to call any cabin a stateroom after seeing these.
The first pic is the Captains Stateroom on the Titanic. I think its fair to say that it doesnt look like this now........
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Perhaps the absence of lee clothes is preresquite of a stateroom. 
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17-06-2015, 17:16
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
^^^
Good one, Wottie!
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17-06-2015, 17:18
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Originally Posted by Wotname
Perhaps the absence of lee clothes is preresquite of a stateroom. |
Or............... just get a catamaran....
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17-06-2015, 20:35
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Certainly off topic but here goes 
The necessity of lee clothes is more a question ones sobriety than ones choice of hull quantity.
This came to light after a brief encounter with a well known delivery skipper...
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17-06-2015, 22:38
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Originally Posted by weavis
I have been on boats with Staterooms.
I always find it difficult to call any cabin a stateroom after seeing these.
The first pic is the Captains Stateroom on the Titanic. I think its fair to say that it doesnt look like this now........
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I don't know where you found the first pic but that's the back cabin on some fat arsed marina queen....
This is what Captain Smith's abode looked like...
WIP - Captain's Sitting Room Aboard Titanic by TitanicHonorAndGlory on DeviantArt
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17-06-2015, 23:38
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
I believe the term stateroom comes from the riverboat days. The top deck was the Texas (a state) deck. The cabins on the deck were for the captain, mates, chief engineer and assistants. Also on some riverboats larger cabins were named after states.
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18-06-2015, 00:46
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Ah. The wonderful ability of the internet to cross reference the pictures.
Well folks, there is a fluffy permanently berthed cruiser in the world somewhere with the high gloss wood finish as shown in the photo.
apologies to Capt Smith for assuming he had poor taste.
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18-06-2015, 01:39
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
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Originally Posted by Lepke
I believe the term stateroom comes from the riverboat days. The top deck was the Texas (a state) deck. The cabins on the deck were for the captain, mates, chief engineer and assistants. Also on some riverboats larger cabins were named after states. |
The term "stateroom" was in use for centuries before the U.S. existed, so this cannot be right.
More likely the other way around -- named for U.S. states as a play on words.
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18-06-2015, 15:34
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
Riverboat days? A nice idea, but compare the first date that the OED quotes it as having been used (Samuel Pepys) with the age of Texas and the riverboats. Tejas hadn't been invented yet. Wasn't a whole lot Mexico as we know it, either.(G)
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18-06-2015, 20:37
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
The various definitions of "state", in particular the social, political and economic reference to status seem to explain a "stateroom" as a room for "impotent" peoples.
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19-06-2015, 00:52
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"
I found this:
1660 PEPYS Diary 24 Apr., Very pleasant we were on board the London which hath a state-room much bigger than the Nazeby, but not so rich.
1694 Lond. Gaz. No. 2982/3 The Yacht having lost in this Rencounter but 3 men, who were killed by one great Shot in the State-Room.
1748 SMOLLETT Rod. Rand. xxxv, A cabbin was made for him contiguous to the state-room, where Whiffle slept.
1834 M. SCOTT Cruise Midge xvii, The cabin had two state-rooms, as they are called in merchantmen, opening off it.
1836 MARRYAT Midsh. Easy xiv, In the captain's state-room they had found fourteen thousand dollars in bags.
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