Washing Clothes Aboard

[cosmosmariner]

Got a tip while cruising in the Bahamas this year for water conservation while washing clothes by hand.

If you do clothes the bucket and plunger way as we do on our 25' Watkins, Wu-Hsin, you can save on water by using only clear ammonia in stead of detergent if the clothes are just sweaty and not muddy or greasy.

The advantage is that you can just ring the clothes out without rinsing. Ammonia will neutralize any bacteria and is a great cleaning agent used in products like Windex and Mr. Clean. The ammonia smell completely disappears when drying. We use about 1 or 2 oz. of ammonia to 2 gallons of water.

[senormechanico]

or just go naked...

[drew.ward]

Yay Naked! (boo sun burns in bad places ) lol

[cosmosmariner]

It's an option that has been used .....but I'm Italian so I don't burn.

[David M]

The downside is that NH3 has its negative effects on the environment. Ammonia is different from urea. Urea is much less toxic.

Urea cycle

[cosmosmariner]

Everything has a downside. Every solution creates new problems. We weigh the pros and cons and make our choices. In this case I think the impact on the environment is minimal as used.

[pete33458]

Originally Posted by David M

The downside is that NH3 has its negative effects on the environment. Ammonia is different from urea. Urea is much less toxic.

Urea cycle

Don't want to start another 'sunscreen and coral reef' fiasco, but...urine is full of NH3 (ammonia), and I would suspect that if every boat on the ocean dumped a gallon of pure ammonia per day, it would be absolutely insignificant compared to all the urine dumped into the ocean every day...

pete

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by pete33458

Don't want to start another 'sunscreen and coral reef' fiasco, but...urine is full of NH3 (ammonia), and I would suspect that if every boat on the ocean dumped a gallon of pure ammonia per day, it would be absolutely insignificant compared to all the urine dumped into the ocean every day...

pete

sorry, but I think you may be confusing Volume with Strength or MOL for things like NH3. Human urine is not "full" of NH3 but does have some. A Gallon of pure Ammonia.... high MOL would far out-way the effects of Human urine NH3 by a factor well over 10,000 if I recall my chemistry at all.

[pete33458]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

sorry, but I think you may be confusing Volume with Strength or MOL for things like NH3. Human urine is not "full" of NH3 but does have some. A Gallon of pure Ammonia.... high MOL would far out-way the effects of Human urine NH3 by a factor well over 10,000 if I recall my chemistry at all.

Not at all. Divide 5 billion humans by a liter per day (5 billion liters of urine) and then by your dilution factor (10,000, which is actually too high, but it doesn't matter) to get about 40,000 liters per day. Then multiply times all species that produce urine. Then figure out how many boats are on the water. There's no way, just no day, it can compare.

[Pblais]

Everything has a downside.

We really don't need to know all of them. Things in moderation work (except wine). So how is it on wine stains? I've found peroxide and Dawn dish washing liquid works even on colors if you are fast. Saved a great shirt that way. Even works the day after in case your speed has degraded from the process of acquiring the stain - could happen!

[colemj]

Originally Posted by Pblais

We really don't need to know all of them. Things in moderation work (except wine). So how is it on wine stains? I've found peroxide and Dawn dish washing liquid works even on colors if you are fast. Saved a great shirt that way. Even works the day after in case your speed has degraded from the process of acquiring the stain - could happen!

This is the stuff - works like magic on wine stains. They disappear instantly.

Wine-Out: Wine Cave Inc.

Mark

[senormechanico]

I've never had a wine stain while naked.

Just sayin'.


Steve B.

[Whispering Star]

All good idea's: we thought about it to, instead of a bucket plunger method. We found our old concrete mixer w/lid works well. It has a built in agitator and it doesn't leak. It's about the size of a tall/thin 5 gal bucket. We just roll it around. I like the no detergent. Smell elemination is always a good thing.

[cosmosmariner]

Originally Posted by Whispering Star

All good idea's: we thought about it to, instead of a bucket plunger method. We found our old concrete mixer w/lid works well. It has a built in agitator and it doesn't leak. It's about the size of a tall/thin 5 gal bucket. We just roll it around. I like the no detergent. Smell elemination is always a good thing.

We Have two of those plastic 'concrete mixers'. Are yours about the size of a 20 lb propane tank? Space again was a consideration on our 25' boat so we leave them at the farm as backup to the washing machine.

The ammonia only works to kill bacteria and break down body oils, as I said mud and grease require detergent. Stains I can't say. For stains we use 'Spray-n-Wash Stain Stick' ('contains surfactants and enzymes'). We also use Borax powder if we want to 'whiten and brighten'. Yeah, Yeah Yeah...it is boric acid but you can also mix it with sugar and leave it out for cockroaches etc...it WILL kill them.

By the way, by the time the ammonia and the Borax interact with the organic material in the laundry (assuming you don't use too much) they have pretty much used up their ability to do any damage to the organic life in the water that we don't want to hurt. I invite the chemists out there to explain why. My wife's uncle was a chemist for United Fruit Co then professor of Chemistry at UNC Charlotte for 30 years. He explained to me the low impact of ammonia but I don't remember the details.

[imagine2frolic]

What's wrong with a little hand rinse in the sink? Most anything we wear while cruising will fit there. Sheets, and towels are saved for when we find a laundry. Even if you are crossing an ocean. A laundry is only 3 weeks away for sheets, and towels......i2f