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Old 28-05-2016, 10:42   #16
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Shiny will be slippery if not covered. Just cover in the walking path. Varathane (polyurethane) works well for floors. Do not use spar varnish or Cetol... both are too soft for floors.
Some Basketball courts use Varathane. My dad used to work there!
The courts have no "grip" to the surface, the shoes do that.
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Shiny will be slippery if not covered. Just cover in the walking path. Varathane (polyurethane) works well for floors. Do not use spar varnish or Cetol... both are too soft for floors.
Some Basketball courts use Varathane. My dad used to work there!
The courts have no "grip" to the surface, the shoes do that.

That's interesting. I've just looked at a few basketball court finishes and non of them mention non slip, or no grip. It's Saturday, so I can't call them until Tuesday, but I'll persist. JR
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That's interesting. I've just looked at a few basketball court finishes and non of them mention non slip, or no grip. It's Saturday, so I can't call them until Tuesday, but I'll persist. JR
?? That's what I was saying. Courts are smooth and shiny.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

If you want to reduce slipping on a deck you might try adding groundup walnut shells to the paint/varnish. The particles float in the mix and will provide a great nonslip surface when it drys, I am not sure how it would appear in the varnish but it really works well on a painted deck.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Frankly, I believe that any high gloss finish will be slippery when wet, no matter what it says on the tin. And, having played basketball in quite a few gyms years ago, I seem to remember that refs were pretty quick to swab up the areas where sweaty players fell. Why? Because the damp spots were slippery, of course!

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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Look for clear polymer non-skid beads. And the varnish, epoxy, etc. holds them in place.

Also, on the Holly strips, you can tape them off, & add white sand on top of them in the same manner. Then adding several coats of clear on top of the sand.
I'd say go with 100 grit or coarser, especially to allow for a little filling in of the non-skid, from the varnish on top. Plus, the strips aren't that big, & have a good distance of slick teak in between them, so you'll want more grip than you'd think. And if the sand's too coarse, add another couple of coats of varnish on top of it.

One other trick, is to put down strips of white skateboard tape on top of the Holly.
And you can also add nice geometric patterns of strategically placed skateboard tape, in obvious high slip areas. Whether you use a stock color, or paint it to match or contrast with the floorboards.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Not practical as an afterthought, but in some older boats, the Holly ribs were left standing a bit proud of the teak main boards... maybe 2-3 mm. This gave outstanding traction, but made floor cleaning more difficult (to say the least!).

We encountered this on Candlewynd, a Herreschoff Mobjack then owned by CFer Mirar, and I was quite impressed with the safety factor, not so much with the other aspects of the technique. But the suggestions above by Unciv reminded me of this method.

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Not practical as an afterthought, but in some older boats, the Holly ribs were left standing a bit proud of the teak main boards... maybe 2-3 mm. This gave outstanding traction, but made floor cleaning more difficult (to say the least!).

We encountered this on Candlewynd, a Herreschoff Mobjack then owned by CFer Mirar, and I was quite impressed with the safety factor, not so much with the other aspects of the technique. But the suggestions above by Unciv reminded me of this method.

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Jim, your description of the way to use Holly strips, is the only proper way to use them in my book. And are what immediately springs to mind at first for me, when such floorboards are mentioned.
As, done the other way, they're just overpriced decoration.

There are 101 ways to make gorgeous AND functional floorboards. Often on the cheap. And to me, ones that are made from flush Teak & Holly, are quite often, dangerous, & a waste of coin.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

I think typical Teak and Holly floors look great. Love the look.

And I think most people admire them while at a docked boat that is in a marina and is not moving, not wet inside, and not sailing up and down seas and heeled at an angle.

But glossy finishes underfoot when wet can be very slippery and one should consider that a real hazard when the boat is under way in seas and pitching and heeled and it is dark and everything below is wet and the crew are dog tired and coming and going up on deck.

So, for me, it is best to have multiple nonskid strips (at minimum) going the length of the cabin sole and nonskid surface is even better.

I have slipped on steeply heeled cabin soles in the dark, crashed into furniture, wrenched my back and cursed like a sailor, all because of a slippery varnished cabin sole. And I considered myself lucky I was not more seriously injured in that fall, because I was far from any land. I always wear good sea boots or deck shoes with good gripping soles. If you try the same slippery varnished sole in stocking feet ( in socks) you will see.

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Here is a quick search of this forum with other threads using Google on search term "sole non slip"

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=011403...lip&gsc.page=1
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Here is a quick search of this forum with other threads using Google on search term "sole non slip"

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=011403...lip&gsc.page=1
Thank you for continuing to help folks search. For the obvious?
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Thank you for continuing to help folks search. For the obvious?
Thanks Stu!

Glad to help when I can, and I generally learn something from each search too.

I know that what is obvious to some is not so obvious to others. I certainly feel that way when I am the ignorant one wondering about some topic that everyone here seems to know, and that is often, given the breadth of issues related to sailing or boating.

I sincerely enjoy seeing the possibilities from the search and always look at the questions as a challenge to my aging brain too. So it is good mental exercise, so to speak.

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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Thanks Steady Hand:
I followed your link and found the two salt and linseed oil methods. Amazingly S/v Eolian is a Down East 45 like mine, so that’s a direct comparison for the area to be covered.
The linseed oil sounds a better plan, since it won’t be a rough surface like the salt or additive I was going to use.
I’m going to experiment with both, and I’ll let you all know.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

Experiment with an abrasive additive is the right thing to do. I really think there is VERY LITTLE if ANY DIFFERENCE in how slippery one sheen is vs another.
If you want the safety of a non skid you must have an abrasive or somewhat "irregular " finish.
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I followed your link and found the two salt and linseed oil methods. Amazingly S/v Eolian is a Down East 45 like mine, so thatís a direct comparison for the area to be covered.
The linseed oil sounds a better plan, since it wonít be a rough surface like the salt or additive I was going to use.
Iím going to experiment with both, and Iíll let you all know.
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Glad it proved useful.

Two things about using Linseed Oil:

1. It can get sticky when it dries or ages.

2. It has an odor that lasts a long time. If you eat flax seed, you will know the scent.

3. Be very careful about what you do with any rags you use to wipe or apply or clean linseed oil. They should be disposed of immediately or stored in a METAL AIR TIGHT CAN (like an old paint can). Why? Because linseed oil on fabric or paper can spontaneously combust!

Yep, it can literally burst into flames if linseed coated rags or papers are stored improperly. So, be careful about leaving anything like that on your boat. I would find an old gallon paint bucket or can (like house paint can) with a lid and wash the old paint out and then use that, with a lid on it at ALL times., for storing any linseed oil coated or damp rags.

Good luck with your project. Make sure to post a followup note about the results later.
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Re: Refurbishing The Cabin Sole.

So what are the pros and cons of light sanding and then applying new coats of what ever versus removing all old finish. I have sole which has Epiphanes and is not in bad shape, just a little aged. I am tempted to just sand and then reapply but I do not want to b e lazy.
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