The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls

[smj]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Mono's aren't for everybody... there only so many sailors

Good looking crew you have Jedi! But I guess I will reluctantly stick to the catamaran and the non sailor crew[emoji16]

[smj]

Hey Ralph, we have never paid more than a monohull for dockage. I know this doesn't hold true in other parts of the world.

[Red Herring]

Rear Admiral?

Originally Posted by smj

Good looking crew you have Jedi! But I guess I will reluctantly stick to the catamaran and the non sailor crew[emoji16]
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[PaulinOz]

Quote "These discussions never come up at "happy Hour". We all drink together happily!"

Please lets not start bringing reality into this internet discussion, who knows where this could possibly end up then.

On the cat in 2 x mono pen pricing. The rental cost of a pen should be made up of the pen cost, water, electricity, amenities costs and admin. As a cat owner I accept and pay more than a mono usually in Australia, but do not believe it should be double. Somewhere between 1.4 to 1.8 times a mono of same length seems fair, to me any way.

[RTB]

Originally Posted by smj

Hey Ralph, we have never paid more than a monohull for dockage. I know this doesn't hold true in other parts of the world.

Thanks AJ. Miss you guys!

Ralph

[weavis]

Originally Posted by smj

Good looking crew you have Jedi! But I guess I will reluctantly stick to the catamaran and the non sailor crew[emoji16]
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I wish she would move over so I could get a closer look at the strange wheel...

Oh Lord... a true boater in my soul....

[RTB]

Originally Posted by PaulinOz

Quote "These discussions never come up at "happy Hour". We all drink together happily!"

Please lets not start bringing reality into this internet discussion, who knows where this could possibly end up then.

On the cat in 2 x mono pen pricing. The rental cost of a pen should be made up of the pen cost, water, electricity, amenities costs and admin. As a cat owner I accept and pay more than a mono usually in Australia, but do not believe it should be double. Somewhere between 1.4 to 1.8 times a mono of same length seems fair, to me any way.

Thanks for your post. Something I'm kicking around. I agree with your numbers, just need to discuss with upper management. Thanks.

Ralph

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by PaulinOz

On the cat in 2 x mono pen pricing. The rental cost of a pen should be made up of the pen cost, water, electricity, amenities costs and admin. As a cat owner I accept and pay more than a mono usually in Australia, but do not believe it should be double. Somewhere between 1.4 to 1.8 times a mono of same length seems fair, to me any way.

Sounds fair, on the face of it. Cat's take up more space, so should pay more.

BUT - some marinas require frequent dredging at considerable expense to allow mono's to get in. If beam affects berth prices, shouldn't draught also enter the equation?

[Schooner Chandlery]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Sounds fair, on the face of it. Cat's take up more space, so should pay more.

BUT - some marinas require frequent dredging at considerable expense to allow mono's to get in. If beam affects berth prices, shouldn't draught also enter the equation?

So you really think there's a market for a 3' or 4' deep marina for all the shallow draft boats?

The marinas charge, in many places, per square foot allocated to your boat by them. We're a narrow boat for our length -- most monohull sailboats are narrow compared to power boats of same length and most slips seem to be sized with the fatter power boats in mind. We don't begrudge the marina the extra cost we pay for the full width of the slip even though our boat doesn't require that full width. We just pay it. You don't require the full depth that the marina allocates for boats of the size they expect to serve. But if you do require a double wide slip (2 slips rather than one) or to go in a longer slip (e.g. there's a 35-ish foot cat in a 50' slip in my marina right now) then you'll pay for what you're consuming. Such is life in marinas.

OTOH, at anchor, free is free

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Schooner Chandlery

So you really think there's a market for a 3' or 4' deep marina for all the shallow draft boats?

.... then you'll pay for what you're consuming. Such is life in marinas.

OTOH, at anchor, free is free

In some places there certainly could be a demand for a shallow draught marina. If it allowed cat's and other shoal draught boats to berth more cheaply.

Pay for what you're consuming - that's my point exactly. They don't have to dredge marinas for my boat.

[boatman61]

Outa luck 44.. those shallow berths are for the local m/boats and ribs..

[Sandero]

Don't cat owners expect to pay 2x the slip cost of a mono? I don't see the logic for anything less... at least in some marinas. In NPT the slips are double wide. And some can handle 2 beam motor yachts... and some seem narrower for smaller sail and power boats. But the width of a cat would consume 2 rentable spaces... and so they should pay for what they consume.

[PaulinOz]

Quote : "But the width of a cat would consume 2 rentable spaces... and so they should pay for what they consume."

I agree, but they should not have to pay for what they do not consume as well.

Two people on a cat consume half the electricity, water, amenities and admin costs that 4 people on two separate mono's would consume. These costs makes up a reasonable percentage of the total costs to the berth owner renting out the berth.

[David Hughes]

We pay $11/ft for our cat in Cape Coral, FL. The marina has a section of wide-spaced pilings that works for some cats, and several hundred feet of side tie wall face. They charge the same whether mono or cat.

[RTB]

Originally Posted by David Hughes

We pay $11/ft for our cat in Cape Coral, FL. The marina has a section of wide-spaced pilings that works for some cats, and several hundred feet of side tie wall face. They charge the same whether mono or cat.

That's a very reasonable price for dockage. Not much tide there, and sounds like fixed docks? So, it depends where you are. The east coast of Florida is more expensive. Also, where I am, we have floating docks because of the 8' tides. We also have free beer on tap 7 days a week!

Most marinas in the USA have metered electric, so it doesn't matter if there is 1, 2, 4, or more people on the boat. You pay for the kwh's you use. We have 3 cats with Aussie's aboard. I think those guys easily drink twice as much beer as us mono guys.

A couple of videos to have fun with-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D56krmI7EKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKl0szVmdI

I enjoyed both passages.

Ralph