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[Factor]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

as subject is ocean going cat, that the stat I provided.

So here it goes clarify for you:

for any cat that is sailing in open ocean (bay races don't really count) and flips, chances of person surviving is less than 50%. This stat is based on all cases that I have heard over years.

Only worse odds of survival are for monohulls that lose keel - don't even have to be on open ocean.

Worth exploring,

I know of a number of inversions over the years, and in this part of the world I have to go back 35 years or so for a fatality, I have to go that far back for a fatality of any sort on a multi - save natural causes - I dont have to go that far back for a mono hell I dont even have to go back into last century.

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Thank you for this informative response, Paul L. Do you happen to know what failed? dock cleats? lines? pull the cleats and backing plates out of the hull?

Thanks, again.

Ann

PS. I want to say it is relatively rare to have that much wind in a thunderstorm in Qld, and few people would be prepared for storm strength winds. It is entirely possible that the dangerous thunderstorm warning was made while the people were elsewhere than listening to their VHF, like doing laundry or having a snack, or gone into town, provisioning...and that's a longish bus ride.

A.

It was docklines that failed, as best as I can understand. I believe it was the the cat up wind of Felix stern line that went initially, but Felix may have lost a line prior to the two boats hitting, as they both came off the t-head about the same time.

I sure hope that wasn't a typical afternoon storm It was clear that it was coming down river, but no one expected that much wind. I now have more docklines.

[Seaslug Caravan]

Originally Posted by Redreuben

Multihullers have been singing the unsinkable song for decades, now that the production apartment cats are showing flaws I think the questioning is valid.
For my money I think thicker cores particularly on the deck where it also insulated from the sun is a good call. Trouble is cost, quality foam is expensive but as a % if the build it is small. Building the flotation into the structure was and still is foams big advantage. Solid core below the waterline is false economy, a bit more glass is the answer. I’m not a fan of balsa.

All good points Red. In this particular case we are trying to support 18 tons at say bridge deck level. If there is no interest in flotation void spaces then a quick back of the napkin calculation shows 150mm thick core through out ,may do the trick.

[Seaslug Caravan]

Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

Sluggo, what do you hope to accomplish with these constant threads attacking catamarans?


Your threads are making me want to leave CF completely, I'm tired of your incessant droning ********.

Hi Mr Phisig1071,

Its time to read what I actually post.

There is no attack from me.

I ask a lot of questions.

I am comfortable with my choice of catamaran.

There is much to learn from the mistakes of others, so we may be fortunate enough to not repeat them.

Forums such as this can provide much useful information for all of us.

We can all improve our boats.

As has been pointed out many, times the aircraft fraternity has a mature approach to learning from unfortunate incidents. I wish more here could show the same maturity. We would all benefit.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

I am comfortable with my choice of catamaran..

Which is? Share it with us, cause - you know - like someone here said, we call all learn from it

[smj]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Hi Mr Phisig1071,

Its time to read what I actually post.

There is no attack from me.

I ask a lot of questions.

I am comfortable with my choice of catamaran.

There is much to learn from the mistakes of others, so we may be fortunate enough to not repeat them.

Forums such as this can provide much useful information for all of us.

We can all improve our boats.

As has been pointed out many, times the aircraft fraternity has a mature approach to learning from unfortunate incidents. I wish more here could show the same maturity. We would all benefit.

Still no pics Slug? Put up or shut up.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by smj

Still no pics Slug? Put up or shut up.

Since he's so shy, I'll do it for him.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Factor

Worth exploring,

I know of a number of inversions over the years, and in this part of the world I have to go back 35 years or so for a fatality, I have to go that far back for a fatality of any sort on a multi - save natural causes - I dont have to go that far back for a mono hell I dont even have to go back into last century.

well, my memory better. 4 people missing, presumed dead, on a delivery of 12m cat from Whitsundays to west AUS couple years ago. Reason - apparently all fell in water and cat drifted away because caught fish managed to attach fishing line around rudder.

[smj]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

well, my memory better. 4 people missing, presumed dead, on a delivery of 12m cat from Whitsundays to west AUS couple years ago. Reason - apparently all fell in water and cat drifted away because caught fish managed to attach fishing line around rudder.

Don't think the cause was the boat? Natural causes?

[Factor]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

well, my memory better. 4 people missing, presumed dead, on a delivery of 12m cat from Whitsundays to west AUS couple years ago. Reason - apparently all fell in water and cat drifted away because caught fish managed to attach fishing line around rudder.

Clearly not an issue with the boat, and certainly not related to your contention that an inverted multi causes death. And it was three not four

[smj]

Originally Posted by StuM

Since he's so shy, I'll do it for him.

The bathtub can be a treacherous body of water!

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

well, my memory better. 4 people missing, presumed dead, on a delivery of 12m cat from Whitsundays to west AUS couple years ago. Reason - apparently all fell in water and cat drifted away because caught fish managed to attach fishing line around rudder.

Turns out your memory is pretty poor.

[Peregrine1983]

Why does this person only post about catamaran accidents? A short position in Fountaine Pajot stock or something?

[Southern Star]

Good line, Peregrine. And it is also good to see you and other owners of monhulls who are expressing disdain about these kind of inflammatory threads.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Peregrine1983

Why does this person only post about catamaran accidents? A short position in Fountaine Pajot stock or something?

Mayhap: