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Old 12-08-2017, 05:12   #16
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Re: Optimum $200,000 cruiser, with conditions

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Why is "floating condo" always said with such distain? There is nothing wrong with being comfortable, and it doesn't have to be at the expense of seaworthiness if properly done.
I entirely agree Zippy, and I’ve rebuilt my little condo for maximum comfort at sea and anchor or marina. The disdainers are usually people who can’t afford, or too lazy to maintain things which make life more tolerable on a small boat.
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A terrific choice just within your budget is the Northeast 400. Cabo Rico quality and all the bells and whistles. There is considerable customization of the second cabin (opposite the galley). Sometimes it is a second sleeping cabin, sometimes a den/office. Here is one example.

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A terrific choice just within your budget is the Northeast 400. Cabo Rico quality and all the bells and whistles. There is considerable customization of the second cabin (opposite the galley). A really nice feature is that from the swim platform to the pilothouse it is all on the same level and only three steps (not ladder) down to the forward section of the boat. Sometimes it is a second sleeping cabin, sometimes a den/office. Here is one example.

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Re: Optimum $200,000 cruiser, with conditions

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Why is "floating condo" always said with such distain? There is nothing wrong with being comfortable, and it doesn't have to be at the expense of seaworthiness if properly done.
Could you provide some examples of seaworthy "floating condos" please? I've not noticed such in person.

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For the Caribe, or for any general cruising not crossing oceans, I would want something that is not a cave like most monos. So a cat would be good, or a mono with raised salon.
It's a much different world sitting and watching your surroundings. Not that you cant get out in the cockpit in a mono... but it is different, and all that up and down the ladder is tiring. On a cat or saloon, just step out and in.
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Could you provide some examples of seaworthy "floating condos" please? I've not noticed such in person.

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Most any cat would be, the "seaworthy" part is a personal consideration though...
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Could you provide some examples of seaworthy "floating condos" please? I've not noticed such in person.

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That's the rub Jim, it's all relative. I spent a month on a 47ft cat in the Eastern Caribbean and it was very seaworthy and very condo like. So that's one example. Beneteau 473's can be very well appointed and very seaworthy boats, even condo like in my opinion.

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That's the rub Jim, it's all relative. I spent a month on a 47ft cat in the Eastern Caribbean and it was very seaworthy and very condo like. So that's one example. Beneteau 473's can be very well appointed and very seaworthy boats, even condo like in my opinion.

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I thought that the OP was considering monohulls, not cats, in his search.

But tell me, in your month on the 47 ft cat in the E Caribe, how did you determine its seaworthyness? (I won't argue its condo status, not knowing what sort of cat it was). Did you experience some really harsh weather and bad seas? Were you able to make long passages with adequate fuel and water supplies? Could you get her to heave to when you needed to stop for a while? Things of that nature enter into the "seaworthy" discussion, not simply being able to do inter island day trips without spilling the gin.

The Benie 473, while having a bit too much freeboard and the universal worries of structural liner/Plexus construction, seems a tolerable sea boat, if properly maintained. But it doesn't quite reach the floating condo realm IMO. The Moody designs of late, the ones that seem to attempt emulating catamarans, are the sort that in my eyes fail the seaworthy test and achieve "condodom". The combination of an open transom and no bridge deck is simply not a good idea at sea.

Ann and I have done quite a lot of sea miles in conventional monohulls, neither traditional nor ultra modern. We were not uncomfortable (outside of horrible sea conditions), and we didn't sink. With limited experience, I find the motion of catamarans twitchy and uncomfortable in some sea conditions. In other conditions, and at anchor in calm waters, they are indeed comfortable and the saloons are spacious and offer great visibility. I don't find the below decks accommodations (which do require using stairs or ladders) salubrious in many of the cats of reasonable size that we've been on. Such things are a matter of individual tastes and preferences , and are hardly worth arguing over.

So, I reckon that I will continue to have some degree of disdain for the floating condos of my own definition, irrespective of hull numbers. This isn't a multi-bashing issue, for I believe that some cats are quite seaworthy and admirable. I, along with folks who fork out the big bucks for Chris White cats, or Outremers or other non-condo cats see considerable difference between them and the flying bridge behemoths that litter the seas. Are we justified in these opinions? Well, I think so, others may not, and that's ok with me.

I'm not sure that I've properly responded here, and mean to step on no toes. My ideas of a good seagoing vessel may not agree with all, but have been developed over many years of cruising. I could be suffering from the "it worked for me so it must be right" syndrome... on teh other hand, I could be right!

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I thought that the OP was considering monohulls, not cats, in his search.

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"3. Minimum 40 ft cat or mono with swim platform for water and dingy access."
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