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Old 27-08-2008, 16:00   #1
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Hiya, y'all,

Having had no response to those wanting me to keep a minimum of US
warship separation, I wonder if there are Mystic, CT dwellers here.

We think we'll be in Mystic toward the end of the week or more likely
the weekend/Monday-ish. We'll keep the required distance from any
giving us notice, but would enjoy visitors from the less squeamish
:{))

From our many charts (Bob!) - paper and electronic - we can't see how
we can anchor in the area of the downtown/museum area (or, for that
matter,exactly where it is, though I believe both are near the swing
bridge.

We'd also like to get to WalMart, and see there are a couple in the
area, and wonder (assuming we can solve the above), what the best
public transport might be to achieve that, if any.

Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop
me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot
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Old 27-08-2008, 16:32   #2
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Hi Skip, I live in Mystic.

Getting to downtown and the Seaport is easy and you have two options (free ones - there are many $ options).

1. Anchor outside the mooring field in Noank and take your dinghy up the Mystic river. The mooring field is at 41 19.4 N, 71 58.4 W. Just anchor anywhere behind the moored boats - it is a huge area and the coordinates I list are the eastern end of it. The town and Seaport are less than a mile up the river.

2. Take your boat up the Mystic River. There is an anchorage not marked on the chart at 41 22.1 N, 71 57.9 W. This is a small basin off the channel going up the river past the Seaport and right across from a small restaurant. To get there, you will go through a railroad swing bridge that opens on demand, but I always seem to have to wait 15 minutes for a train to go through first. Past that is a drawbridge that opens at 40min past the hour every hour. You don't want to arrive too early or you will be holding station in a narrowish river with current until 40 past and it is mind-numbingly boring. Try to make the railroad bridge at 15 past and you will have good timing. Once through the drawbridge, continue up the river in the well-marked channel past the Seaport. The anchorage is just past the Seaport. Once you are abreast of the Seaport, make sure you stay in the channel because the river is quite shallow outside it. But it is also soft mud, so easy to get out of trouble. You and your boat are now in both downtown and the Seaport.

The WalMart thing is going to be much more difficult. There is a small WalMart close by and a larger one further away. Both will require transportation, and there really isn't much available. Taxi's can be called for, but their availability can be spotty and I don't know what the cost is.

It's a nice area - enjoy.

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Skip, I do not know about your warship separation issues but if it anything like the way you passed me south of Norfolk (Cutting inside of the boat passing me) last Fall I can see how they might get upset. I was a little surprised but the navy might lob something at you.
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Skip, I do not know about your warship separation issues but if it anything like the way you passed me south of Norfolk (Cutting inside of the boat passing me) last Fall I can see how they might get upset. I was a little surprised but the navy might lob something at you.
Hi, Will,

I'm sorry to say I don't recall the incident - and the location, for that matter, of course, compounded by the length of the ICW south of Norfolk. We don't normally move fast enough to pass anyone, but in a heavy traffic situation, I suppose we might have.

What did we do? Did we have any voice traffic on the matter? Obviously, it didn't sit well with you, so I apologize, whatever it was. Given the separation distance I usually want to have on any direction of my boat, this is a bit confusing, but I accept that we may have been in the wrong place at the right time...

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There is a minimum allowable distance that you can get from get from military ships. I have seen it posted in Notice to Mariners as well. It is federal law. Darned if I cant find a reference on the internet.
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There is a minimum allowable distance that you can get from get from military ships.
It's a flexible rule and they announce it often on CH 16 when they want to. You need to monitor the radio in areas that have military vessels else you get the friendly escorts with the rubber boats and automatic weapons. We came upon a Virginia Class submarine a few weeks ago at old Point Comfort. Just about the narrowest point in the entire Chesapeake. Oh well we were turning 90 degrees any way.
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There is a minimum allowable distance that you can get from get from military ships. I have seen it posted in Notice to Mariners as well. It is federal law. Darned if I cant find a reference on the internet.
Naval Vessel Protection Zones (NVPZ) provide for the regulation of vessel traffic in the vicinity of U.S. naval vessels in the navigable waters of the United States.

In brief:

- All vessels within 500 yards of a U.S. naval vessel shall operate at the minimum speed necessary to maintain a safe course and shall proceed as directed by the official patrol (a Coast Guard commissioned, warrant or petty officer; or the Commanding Officer of a U.S. naval vessel or his or her designee).

- No vessel is allowed within 100 yards of a U.S. naval vessel, unless authorized by the official patrol.

- Commercial vessels anchored in a designated anchorage area may be permitted to remain at anchor within 100 yards of passing naval vessels.

More information:

http://www.gicaonline.com/media/tools/navalzone.pdf

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- No vessel is allowed within 100 yards of a U.S. naval vessel, unless authorized by the official patrol.

Made this mistake in a moderately narrow area at the head of Buzzard's Bay.

There was a Navy boat that looked like nothing more than some old fishing boat. No idea what it was. As we got closer for our "port to port" passing, some guy popped out of the pilot house in a uniform looking at me with arms crossed, and that angry stare they teach you in "cop school."

Only when I was nearly at the vessel's bow (in a port to port pass), did I finally see that it was marked with usual Navy markings. There was no call on the radio, no support boats and I have to assume it was the USS Bill Clinton (laundry ship) or something.

Still, they didn't fire on me, so I guess it turned out alright.
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There is a minimum allowable distance that you can get from get from military ships. I have seen it posted in Notice to Mariners as well. It is federal law. Darned if I cant find a reference on the internet.
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Naval Vessel Protection Zones (NVPZ) provide for the regulation of vessel traffic in the vicinity of U.S. naval vessels in the navigable waters of the United States.

In brief:

- All vessels within 500 yards of a U.S. naval vessel shall operate at the minimum speed necessary to maintain a safe course and shall proceed as directed by the official patrol (a Coast Guard commissioned, warrant or petty officer; or the Commanding Officer of a U.S. naval vessel or his or her designee).

- No vessel is allowed within 100 yards of a U.S. naval vessel, unless authorized by the official patrol.


- Commercial vessels anchored in a designated anchorage area may be permitted to remain at anchor within 100 yards of passing naval vessels.

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http://www.gicaonline.com/media/tools/navalzone.pdf

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