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Old 25-02-2014, 19:05   #16
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Re: How much do you use your boat?

I've always lived where the climate was conducive to use. When I lived inland in NC and worked full time I still got in over 100 days per year especially after moving to the lake. The further from water, the shorter the use season, the less logical owning becomes.
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Old 25-02-2014, 19:37   #17
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My wife and I live in the Carolina's. During the sailing season we drive 200 miles (400 round trip) about 3 times a month. We do this 6-7 months out of the year and we consider it a privilege to be able to do it. We could sail in the lakes closer to home but it's not the same as being in the Pamlico.
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Old 25-02-2014, 20:02   #18
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That's the charter/leasing company that I was considering, too. Never considered the crummy weather, good time to practice idea. That would allow us to really get our money's worth.
Pinnacle runs pretty good operation. You will enjoy it.

The storms in Chesapeake bay in the summer is quite predictable. IT comes and goes very fast, so you keep enough sea room it is an excellent time to practice your storm tactic, what work and what doesn't. It is relatively controlled environment that you only need to survive for less than 15 min.
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Old 25-02-2014, 21:37   #19
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Pinnacle runs pretty good operation. You will enjoy it.

The storms in Chesapeake bay in the summer is quite predictable. IT comes and goes very fast, so you keep enough sea room it is an excellent time to practice your storm tactic, what work and what doesn't. It is relatively controlled environment that you only need to survive for less than 15 min.
Pinnacle has an operation here in Chicago. Sorry if I inferred that we were in the bay. We would be more conservative here in Lake Michigan, as it really is an inland sea. Weather and chop do come up relatively quickly, and should be respected as evidenced by the Mac race loss of lives.
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Old 25-02-2014, 21:40   #20
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My wife and I live in the Carolina's. During the sailing season we drive 200 miles (400 round trip) about 3 times a month. We do this 6-7 months out of the year and we consider it a privilege to be able to do it. We could sail in the lakes closer to home but it's not the same as being in the Pamlico.
You are dedicated, to be sure.

I see that you dock in New Bern. I was actually approached last year about a position in that area of the the country. We're just not ready to leave our home quit yet.
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Old 26-02-2014, 02:42   #21
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There is a fine line between dedication and craziness. New Bern would be different than Chicago for sure but it is a wonderful place just the same.
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Old 26-02-2014, 10:35   #22
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Pinnacle has an operation here in Chicago. Sorry if I inferred that we were in the bay. We would be more conservative here in Lake Michigan, as it really is an inland sea. Weather and chop do come up relatively quickly, and should be respected as evidenced by the Mac race loss of lives.
Yes, Wingnut is a good reminder that we must be on guard all the time.
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Old 26-02-2014, 11:23   #23
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Re: How much do you use your boat?

Boat is in Florida Keys and I'm in Aberdeen, Scotland... No weekend sailing for me!
Last time I sailed her was August 2011, since then she has cost me $7,000 for an osmosis treatment and bottom job, and about $12,000 in hard standing fees. Pretty stupid really, but I do love her dearly. I'll retire soon and be using her full time after that.
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Old 26-02-2014, 12:58   #24
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Boat is in Florida Keys and I'm in Aberdeen, Scotland... No weekend sailing for me!
Last time I sailed her was August 2011, since then she has cost me $7,000 for an osmosis treatment and bottom job, and about $12,000 in hard standing fees. Pretty stupid really, but I do love her dearly. I'll retire soon and be using her full time after that.
Whoa.... You are one die hard boat owner. Hurry up, sail her soon
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Old 26-02-2014, 13:52   #25
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Re: How much do you use your boat?

We lived on her the first year we owned her, then vacationed after that. First four weeks a year, then gradually five, then six, then seven weeks the last year before retirement. Now 3 months a year on board--limited to that by Schengen.

Our friend & neighbour here has his boat within a 20 minute drive. For the past two years we've had WAY more time on our boat than he has on his--& ours is 3000 miles away. When we go on vacation we're on our boat & sailing or otherwise enjoying her. For our neighbour, life keeps getting in the way of his sailing.
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Old 27-02-2014, 09:20   #26
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It really isn't possible to justify having a boat on cost/use basis, you basically have to just want to do it!
+1.. 15+ yrs ago i was chatting with my uncle, complaining about the costs of ownership and he said something ill never forget.."if you just want to go fishing, then down to dock, pay $35 and go fishing...if you want to hop aboard and go drive around and go/ do what you want...THATS BOATING!.. and BOATING is expensive!"

the moral of the storys is.. you are going to pay a premium if you want boating in your life.. if you cant jusify the cost then go down and rent a boat for a couple hours to get your fix..
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This thread is meant for recreational, non fulltime cruisers. I'm trying to justify the expense and upkeep of a mid to upper 30' used crusing boat.
I live in a cold weather city with a 4 month sailing window.

How often do you actually sail your boat each month? How many days/month are you on your boat doing repairs, or enjoying the dockside condo?

Part of the reason I'd like to know, is that I'm comparing a seasonal lease/share arrangement versus ownership.

The cost of the part time lease is about the same cost of dockage and winter storage. It's less time on board, but there's no maintenance, insurance or costly repairs involved.
I would do the seasonal lease for one year and then decide whether you want to sail enough to justify the costs of owning your own boat after that. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 27-02-2014, 09:38   #28
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Re: How much do you use your boat?

We live in Denmark and sail the baltic. last year about 2000sm. we'll do the same this year. every other weekend, some evenings and a 4 week holiday. Season is may to october
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This thread is meant for recreational, non fulltime cruisers. I'm trying to justify the expense and upkeep of a mid to upper 30' used crusing boat.
I live in a cold weather city with a 4 month sailing window.

How often do you actually sail your boat each month? How many days/month are you on your boat doing repairs, or enjoying the dockside condo?

Part of the reason I'd like to know, is that I'm comparing a seasonal lease/share arrangement versus ownership.

The cost of the part time lease is about the same cost of dockage and winter storage. It's less time on board, but there's no maintenance, insurance or costly repairs involved.
My 2 cents, forget justifying the cost of ownership. You can't.
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Old 27-02-2014, 11:41   #30
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Re: How much do you use your boat?

While living aboard for several years on Florida's north west coast, where there are sailing days year round, I developed the
" INVERSE RULE OF BOAT USE". Use is inversely proportional to the size of the boat and the length of time that you have owned it. This is based on observing the daily use of about 120 boats (mostly sail) from 18 ft to 50ft.

The larger the boat, the less it is used. More maintenance, more to put way, more restrictive draft, more crew required before it leaves the slip.

The longer you have owned the boat the less you use it. The novelty wears off, spouse and kids develop other interests, "getting ready to go" becomes more of a chore.

While there are some people who break from this rule. It is amazing that after putting lots of money and time into our boats, they are used far less frequently than we imagined. The cure is to retire and go cruising.

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