Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 29-01-2015, 20:40   #16
Registered User
 
xeon_tsd's Avatar

Join Date: May 2011
Location: "Out There" (mailing Austin TX)
Boat: Lafitte 44
Posts: 419
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by capngeo View Post
OK guys…….
As politically charged as this topic is, throwing stones at the politics involved accomplishes nothing. Please stick to the facts and skip the rhetoric……. from either the left or right

But throwing stones at politicians can

Couldn't resist.
__________________

__________________
hopefully I will keep this updated.... http://svchapaai.com
xeon_tsd is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 29-01-2015, 20:56   #17
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 209
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

In 2002 I wanted to go to Cuba with a friend. we went to the proper authorities in Key West, and they gave us a paper to fill out. I wasnt too restrictive and was just one page so we filled it out and WENT TO CUBA. We gor there at night and were met about 5 miles out by a guard boat with guns all over it. They talked to us on the radio but they spoke Spanish and we couldn't. They finally called the shore and got an interpreter to talk to us. They told us there was no problem but to go to a certain GPS location. they kind of followed us in for a couple of miles and then went somewhere else. we went to the Gps location and it was the entrance to a marina. There was a lady waiting for us and told us where to tie up. Then she said do not leave the boat untill we check you in, in the morning. they teated us just fine and gave us freedom to go where ever we wanted. To make it short we loved the people and were treated well all the time we were there the only thing we didn't like was we could not draw money from our home bank accounts. mac
__________________

__________________
Hard Rock Candy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 29-01-2015, 21:44   #18
Registered User
 
travellerw's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Martinique
Boat: Fortuna Island Spirit 40
Posts: 1,726
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skipmac View Post
Assume this was meant as humor but just to make a point that is the exact opposite of my experience with Germans whether in Germany or abroad, including the Caribbean.
Yes it was meant in jest... I was there recently and many Germans were grumbling how the Americans are going to wreck Cuba for them. The reason they say this, is for the last 5-7 years, the Germans have been buying up real estate in Cuba fairly cheap. Americans are definitely going to change that market.
__________________
travellerw is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 06:16   #19
Registered User
 
denverd0n's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,953
Images: 6
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
The quick down and dirty appears to be one no longer has to apply for a license to travel there, just ensure that the purpose fits.
There's a little more to it than that. You also have to have the documentation, and retain it for some period (five years, I believe). So, in essence, you have to go through all the steps that you had to go through previously, except that you no longer have to actually submit your paperwork and wait for a response.

My concern is over the requirement that you retain the paperwork. Why would you have to do that? Obviously because at some point in the future you might be required to present it for review. And what if, at that time, they decide that your reason was not adequate? Obama is only going to be President through 2016. It is entirely possible that the next President will have a completely different attitude about this.

It seems to me that, at this point, the whole thing is just a mess waiting to bite someone in the backside.
__________________
denverd0n is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 06:45   #20
Registered User
 
Julie Mor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 401
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard Rock Candy View Post
In 2002 I wanted to go to Cuba with a friend. we went to the proper authorities in Key West, and they gave us a paper to fill out. I wasnt too restrictive and was just one page so we filled it out and WENT TO CUBA. We gor there at night and were met about 5 miles out by a guard boat with guns all over it. They talked to us on the radio but they spoke Spanish and we couldn't. They finally called the shore and got an interpreter to talk to us. They told us there was no problem but to go to a certain GPS location. they kind of followed us in for a couple of miles and then went somewhere else. we went to the Gps location and it was the entrance to a marina. There was a lady waiting for us and told us where to tie up. Then she said do not leave the boat untill we check you in, in the morning. they teated us just fine and gave us freedom to go where ever we wanted. To make it short we loved the people and were treated well all the time we were there the only thing we didn't like was we could not draw money from our home bank accounts. mac
Thanks, mac. It seems when it's people to people interactions, there are usually no problems. It's only when political leaders get involved we end up hating each other.

I predict it won't be long before we see Cuba become another vacation destination, like it was before, kind of a Vegas in the ocean. There's too much money on the table to resist.
__________________
“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.”
― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows
Julie Mor is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:14   #21
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Julie Mor View Post
Thanks, mac. It seems when it's people to people interactions, there are usually no problems. It's only when political leaders get involved we end up hating each other.

I predict it won't be long before we see Cuba become another vacation destination, like it was before, kind of a Vegas in the ocean. There's too much money on the table to resist.
Seeing how the US is the only country that restricts travel there now, why is it not a vacation destination like it was before, at present?

Do you think, for instance, that the BVI's, or Antigua, or Saint Barts, would be poverty stricken if Americans couldn't visit there?
__________________
Cruising again!
Group9 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:22   #22
Registered User
 
NoShoes's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Halfway In The Sea
Boat: Alajuela 38
Posts: 99
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Going to Cuba is not that difficult, nor is it a big deal, but it can be if not done correctly. First, dont roll into Havana like you would do in the Bahamas.
Second, find an alternate port to make land fall, the smaller and further from the big cities the better.
Third, you will have to grease the local officials, this is a 3rd world country, not disneyland.
Forth, grease the DM first, and make a friend, things will go so easy.
Lastly, dont look and act like tourist, keep low key and look poor.

I go to cuba at least 3x a year for the past 6 years, and never check in or out with US Immigtration. I just go have fun and come back. I was stopped once near Key West, and I just told the Coastie, I had been out to Fort Jefferson.
__________________
You do not ask a tame seagull why it needs to disappear from time to time toward the open sea. It goes, that’s all. People who do not know that a sailboat is a living creature will never understand anything about boats and the sea.
NoShoes is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:24   #23
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 104
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

So if the local newspaper will give you a pass that says Journalista" does that suffice?

Ive not been to Cuba but I did drive through Nicaragua not long after the war there ended. I found the people to be far nicer to me than I would have been to them had their gubmint done to my country what my gubmint did to theirs.

The Hispanics are pretty tolerant people, unlike so many Americans.
__________________
SniperSailor is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:26   #24
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

We sailed the South coast of Cuba saw several US flagged vessels ....they didn't
have licenses or visas ... two that we talked to didn't enter the trip on their log
We were there for 7 weeks and were treated respectfully ... we were searched
but the customs wouldn't enter a cabin unless we were there . I never felt nervous as I do with USA officials
__________________
jupiow is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:29   #25
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 104
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

"We were there for 7 weeks and were treated respectfully ... we were searched
but the customs wouldn't enter a cabin unless we were there . I never felt nervous as I do with USA officials"

+1
__________________
SniperSailor is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:31   #26
Marine Service Provider
 
AnchorageGuy's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wherever the boat is!
Boat: Marine Trader 34DC
Posts: 4,618
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skipmac View Post
I've been trying to figure this out myself. To the best of my ability to interpret what I read from the Treasury and other government website I think this is what current rules are supposed to be.

Technically one still must adhere to the existing restrictions on travel to Cuba IE travel is only allowed for cultural, educational, journalism, research, etc, etc, etc. reasons. However one will no longer have to apply for a permit in advance (a permit that in practice was almost never granted unless you are anchorperson for CBS or doing research at Harvard on tropical diseases). Instead, fill in the forms with a reason that is appropriate under the restrictions and go.

The latest official information I have found posted is here.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...a_faqs_new.pdf
skipmac is absolutely correct. All restrictions are still in place and it is still illegal for U.S. citizens to travel to Cuba for tourism. If you go by boat, no matter what exemption you choose, you are considered a tourist and are prohibited. The license is not longer required but you must keep precise records of your itinerary and they must meet the requirements for the exemption. Those records must be kept for 5 years. There are no scheduled airlines to Cuba at this time, from the U.S., flights are all charters and will mostly be groups traveling under the General Exemptions. While it is now being done on the honor system, nothing has changed as far as travel except the requirement to file for a license and wait for approval. Yesterday, a bill was propose in the senate to lift all travel restrictions. That is the only way the restrictions themselves can be removed. Hope this helps clarify. Chuck
__________________
Chesapeake Bay, ICW Hampton Roads To Key West, The Gulf Coast, The Bahamas

The Trawler Beach House
Voyages Of Sea Trek
AnchorageGuy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:39   #27
Marine Service Provider
 
AnchorageGuy's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wherever the boat is!
Boat: Marine Trader 34DC
Posts: 4,618
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoShoes View Post
Going to Cuba is not that difficult, nor is it a big deal, but it can be if not done correctly. First, dont roll into Havana like you would do in the Bahamas.
Second, find an alternate port to make land fall, the smaller and further from the big cities the better.
Third, you will have to grease the local officials, this is a 3rd world country, not disneyland.
Forth, grease the DM first, and make a friend, things will go so easy.
Lastly, dont look and act like tourist, keep low key and look poor.

I go to cuba at least 3x a year for the past 6 years, and never check in or out with US Immigtration. I just go have fun and come back. I was stopped once near Key West, and I just told the Coastie, I had been out to Fort Jefferson.
This is really some bad advise. First you are suggesting that someone should break the law and it's OK. Each will have to decide for themselves if this is worth the risk, no matter how small. Secondly it is illegal to "grease the official" in Cuba, for both the official and the "greaser" punishable by prison, no trial or lawyers involved. So if you "grease' the wrong palm you pay the consequences. In clearing in and out of every port along the south coast we were never ask for gifts or money, although we always offered snacks and drinks, including a beer. It was always accepted. But most importantly you are setting a precedent for every boater that follows. In many harbors, those are known as the ugly Americans by every other boater, including other Americans. We have never been ask for a bribe or "gift" in any port we have been in until someone starting giving "tips for clearing in and out. Once it starts it's hard to put a stop to. Susan's chocolate chip cookies usually meet the criteria for a little something extra. Chuck
__________________
Chesapeake Bay, ICW Hampton Roads To Key West, The Gulf Coast, The Bahamas

The Trawler Beach House
Voyages Of Sea Trek
AnchorageGuy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:43   #28
Eternal Member

Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 848
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoShoes View Post

Going to Cuba is not that difficult, nor is it a big deal, but it can be if not done correctly.

...


I go to cuba at least 3x a year for the past 6 years, and never check in or out with US Immigtration. I just go have fun and come back. I was stopped once near Key West, and I just told the Coastie, I had been out to Fort Jefferson.
Uhhh, those two points would appear to be somewhat in conflict...

Not sure I'd be boasting about that on the internet, either, but perhaps that's just me...

:-))

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoShoes View Post
Second, find an alternate port to make land fall, the smaller and further from the big cities the better.
Ther are only 4 official ports of entry on Cuba's north coast... Are you saying you always sail further East than Varadero, all the way to Cayo Guillermo/Coco or Puerto Vita, before checking in?
__________________
Jon Eisberg is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 08:46   #29
Marine Service Provider
 
AnchorageGuy's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wherever the boat is!
Boat: Marine Trader 34DC
Posts: 4,618
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

Not to mention that failing to clear in with Homeland Security upon entering the United States or lying to Customs and Immigration is a Federal Offense. Chuck
__________________
Chesapeake Bay, ICW Hampton Roads To Key West, The Gulf Coast, The Bahamas

The Trawler Beach House
Voyages Of Sea Trek
AnchorageGuy is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 30-01-2015, 09:08   #30
Registered User
 
NoShoes's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Halfway In The Sea
Boat: Alajuela 38
Posts: 99
Re: Cuba - simple question. Is a license required now or not?

All I can say to that is, I dont live in fear of what may or may not happen. I live life, and accept the consequences that comes from my choices.

Some sheep like to live by the rules of men, it gives them security, and lessens their fear if they obey the rules. They live their lives, following the rules some asshat made up for shits and giggles.

If you have never sailed to cuba and back to the usa, then you dont know jack about what you are talking about. I have been there and done that, all you have is talking about something you have no experience. Just talk. ;-)

What business is it of some government hack to question my traveling. Ever heard of the right and freedom of movement
__________________

__________________
You do not ask a tame seagull why it needs to disappear from time to time toward the open sea. It goes, that’s all. People who do not know that a sailboat is a living creature will never understand anything about boats and the sea.
NoShoes is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply

Tags
Cuba, license

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
License Required? mkjhartmann Training, Licensing & Certification 8 08-08-2014 08:46
No Boat License Required, Trip to Other Countrys and Visa Question Proxor General Sailing Forum 4 10-08-2013 16:20
Required Radio License for EU waters chrismin Our Community 9 09-01-2013 11:01
Required License(s) for Operating a Crewed Charter? cbcat Training, Licensing & Certification 11 09-03-2010 08:25
A license should be required... GreatKetch Construction, Maintenance & Refit 20 27-11-2007 05:31



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:53.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.