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Old 15-04-2013, 17:41   #61
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I have been poor. Not poor like I couldn't afford a new car, but poor where I couldn't feed my kids or pay rent on even the smallest of homes. Not once did I resort to robbery.
Good on ya. Since when did poverty become a justification for robbery?
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

We first went to St. Lucia in 1987 and last in 2007. I have never felt safe there...too many angry people. We avoid it and St. Vincent, as well...same reason.

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Old 15-04-2013, 19:34   #64
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

So, does this belong in the "How to make money while cruising" thread?

1. Find tour groups.
2. Rob same.

No doubt Cunard will be assigning Sikh guards to their shore parties now. (They've been used as on-board security previously.)
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

So what is the justification of the really wealthy that rob the rest of us? How do you think they got really wealthy? Take a look at any big multi national corporation.
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

rognvald--thankyou for the public spanking for no reason..please learn to think outside the box. mebbe travel to these dangerous locations then pan folks for their words after witnessing reality.....

ok lets see if he reports this posting..lol..i didnt report his, so, we see what kinda innards he has.

ok, so there are bandidos in pair a dice. duh. we takes our chances, as per fine print in the event of cruise ship travel, and we sails our boats into whatever is there. is all our own individual choice.

yáll pan me for dark humor..xxxxxxxxxx..

those who understand the need for folks to lighten up the load and reduce stress--hoo yaahh....geaux...

as for the wealthy robbing the rest--speak to your governing body--they started it...which is another point altogether......
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...Just wait until someone takes a whole cruise ship hostage at sea and demands ransom or they sink the boat...
That's been done, see Achille Lauro hijacking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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..... but poor where I couldn't feed my kids or pay rent on even the smallest of homes. Not once did I resort to robbery.


Just like an awful lot of people in St Lucia.
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

We visited St. Lucia in 2002. We rented a car and went to the botanical gardens where we were approached by many local "tour guides". We were cautious at first but did hire Charles to show us all the best spots, which he did. He even took us to his cousin's restaurant under the Pitons to have lunch. We did feel much safer with him guiding us.

We stayed at a resort that had a public beach and shared it with the locals. There was always a security presence from the hotel though.

Those attackers are going to be much worse off once the cruise ships stop visiting and the tourist dollars dry up. You can only grow so many bananas.
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We first went to St. Lucia in 1987 and last in 2007. I have never felt safe there...too many angry people. We avoid it and St. Vincent, as well...same reason.

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I believe there are more islands to be avoided in the east Caribbean but these two are most definitely in that group. I have too little experience with the other candidates, but too much with these two...

About angry people living there: we noticed that English speaking nations are often angry while this does not show so much with other Caribbean nations like those that speak Spanish. Venezuela might be the exception to that but we have spend time there and I believe it is the socialist government rhetoric that is responsible for that, not the people as much.
I believe that "hope" might well be the factor in this being angry or not. Latin America has that glow of hope and prosperity and some are in the world's top growing economies, while countries like St Lucia really have a bleak future outlook. Even if they would have oil off-shore, Venezuela would muscle it away from them. This leaves just the white tourist who often gets the blame for it all.

Are the Europeans to blame? I believe the Carib Indians were pretty good at killing the Arawaks before the Europeans showed up.
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Good on ya. Since when did poverty become a justification for robbery?
Never a justification, but with the huge with the huge differences in wealth and living standards around the world the most surprising thing about events like this isn't that they happen, but that they don't happen much, much more often.
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

The average yearly salary in St. Lucia is $6,000. Unemployment is 20%.

Most of the cruise ship/resort money is going somewhere other than St. Lucia.

So we probably shouldn't break our arms patting ourselves on the back for how lucky they are that cruise ships stop there.
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Re: Mass Robbery in St. Lucia

I wonder if this story would have been the same if the cruise ship passengers were armed?

Yea, I know... No one can carry weapons on a cruise ship. My point is that the "robbers" obviously knew that.

Arms or not, the name for someone who has no ability to fight back is "victim". Might have some applicability to this forum?
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I wonder if this story would have been the same if the cruise ship passengers were armed?

Yea, I know... No one can carry weapons on a cruise ship. My point is that the "robbers" obviously knew that.

Arms or not, the name for someone who has no ability to fight back is "victim". Might have some applicability to this forum?
The thing is that the locals have no respect for the tourists. When I watch cruise ships emptying onto the shores of these islands, it is not hard to understand this.
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+1

I believe there are more islands to be avoided in the east Caribbean but these two are most definitely in that group. I have too little experience with the other candidates, but too much with these two...

About angry people living there: we noticed that English speaking nations are often angry while this does not show so much with other Caribbean nations like those that speak Spanish. Venezuela might be the exception to that but we have spend time there and I believe it is the socialist government rhetoric that is responsible for that, not the people as much.
I believe that "hope" might well be the factor in this being angry or not. Latin America has that glow of hope and prosperity and some are in the world's top growing economies, while countries like St Lucia really have a bleak future outlook. Even if they would have oil off-shore, Venezuela would muscle it away from them. This leaves just the white tourist who often gets the blame for it all.

Are the Europeans to blame? I believe the Carib Indians were pretty good at killing the Arawaks before the Europeans showed up.
I belive the killing your enemy stuff started after the europeans got here ..Most indeginious peoples didnt do a lot of killing ,the height of victory in battle for "indians" was to simply touch the chief of the opposing tribe..Not saying that they didnt do it ,it just wasnt as commen as the "propaganda "would have us believe..It served the white man well to have the indians fight and kill each other,the old divide and conquer...
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