Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 24-01-2014, 19:37   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: S.E. Pennsylvania
Boat: Catalina 28 MK I
Posts: 64
Images: 1
Re: How to avoid being killed?

"How to avoid being killed?" Stop living.

Hide in a hole in a basement with claymores on the big perimeter and a knife on a stick for whatever gets through.
If you think the next minute of sailing ( or driving, sitting on the toilet, smoking, drinking or sleeping) is too risk adverse then accept you will die in a basement corner. Can't be too careful, right?
Bad guys, imagined bad guys or old age will get you. Won't matter, beating some bad guys in imagination may make you feel in control, but nobody gets out alive.
Side thought - there is nothing sadder than a 60 year old white guy (emphasis "old white guy") trying to look threatening with a machete in a land where everyone has a machete.
In the meantime out of shape old "relatively rich" guys will pretend we are Jimmy Buffet, pirates or explorers (some guys have wives who will not let them pretend to be pirates) and have fun.
In pursuit of life all of us are dead - sailors just go slower and in greater style.
__________________

__________________
brazenarticle is offline  
Old 24-01-2014, 19:45   #32
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,022
Re: How to avoid being killed?

"I do not think they have an intention to kill anyone but it happens often."
That's the difference between murder and homicide. To the deceased, it makes no difference.

"... can we avoid death by letting the intruder takes what he wants. "
dawg, I promise you that if you give me all your wordly goods, I will not raise a hand against you. So, just roll over and be a victim now, and you'll also have no worries about sailing away to those dangerous places this year or next, while you're making new money. I'm doing you a big favor that way, by ensuring your safety in your home port, as opposed to letting you face those dangers elsewhere.
__________________

__________________
hellosailor is offline  
Old 24-01-2014, 23:21   #33
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shorebird View Post
How come, in all the endless discussions on self defense, I never hear about tasers? I'm sure it has been discussed, but I havn't seen it. Are they legal in some areas of the world? Seems like a pretty good non-lethal weapon to take some control of a bad situation.
As a rule they are illegal in many countries. Pre-meditated aggressive forms of self defence are generally illegal , that often includes pepper spray too.

Dave
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 02:58   #34
Moderator
 
Boracay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pelican Bay, Great Sandy National Park
Boat: Steel Roberts Offshore 44
Posts: 5,175
Images: 18
Re: How to avoid being killed?

SECURE ST.LUCIA LTD.
__________________
Rust never sleeps
Boracay Blog.
Boracay is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 09:33   #35
Marine Service Provider

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: On the Go
Boat: Various
Posts: 666
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Thanks for all the well thought-out responses here. Kenomac's "situational awareness" should be at the top of everyone's list. Deck floodlights are great. Even better is having switches at the bunk for lights/siren and/or remote control for these aids.
__________________
Janet Groene
JanetGroene is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 09:40   #36
Registered User
 
snort's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Trunk (boot) of my car
Boat: Tinker Traveller...a dozen feet of bluewater awesomeness!
Posts: 1,031
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Bring along an attack dog, like the one in the picture.
__________________
snort is online now  
Old 25-01-2014, 09:53   #37
Senior Cruiser
 
Cheechako's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Posts: 19,341
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Unfortunately, it doesnt seem that the passive approach works these days... it may work, but it may not. Sometimes your throat get slit just for being there when they want to look around.....
__________________
"I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard











Cheechako is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 10:07   #38
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 17,032
How to avoid being killed?

There seem to be two types of criminals.
The first I'll refer to as the professionals, they are they ones that take everything of value that you have, including the stuff you had securely hidden.
They NEVER do this when your there, thats just too risky and there is nothing to be gained, but much to lose, they are after money the easy way, not excitement. The most they will do is slip in silently in the middle of the night and make off with your Dink, but you will never know they were there
Then there are the adrenalin junkies, and or possibly drug addicted ones. They want the excitement of the confrontation and the sense of power they get from holding you hostage and doing with you and yours as they please. They are dangerous and unpredictable, these are the one we fear. Many violent crimes and atrocities are committed all over the world for the excitement it brings. They are NOT after your belongings, these types will not go away if you become passive and submit
__________________
a64pilot is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 10:28   #39
Wayfaring Mariner
 
captain58sailin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,045
Images: 5
Re: How to avoid being killed?

If you spend your time worrying about being killed, go home, stay home, don't venture out ever again. If you cannot think for yourself about defenses against those whom would harm you, then the most dangerous thing you are doing is leaving home. Yes I am a screamer, spitter, pisser, what ever it takes.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
captain58sailin is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:22   #40
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Penobscot Bay, Maine
Boat: Tayana 47
Posts: 990
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by minaret View Post
And lots of Inferno pepper spray. It has many features which make it ideal for use in an enclosed space like a boat. Prison guards use it in jail cells. It works a treat!



Inferno Pepper Spray



By all means, lock your boat. Get a dog and train in Schutzhunde. Install an alarm system. Do everything you can think of to increase security. This is just the final line of defense.
I accept that I can't take my guns along to foreign countries, and I don't want to have a dog aboard. Knives and even machetes require that you get pretty up close and personal and can be used against you and I have no training in knife or sword fighting techniques, so I like the idea of using chem warfare such as pepper spray to keep potential attackers at bay. Are products such as the Inferno Pepper Spray above legal to have on your boat or is it something you'd have to lie about on the custom forms or during a boarding? I accidentally got just a tiny bit in one of my eyes once so am familiar with just how quickly it made me lose interest in ANYTHING but rinsing it out ASAP. If I were aboard a boat and got sprayed in the face with this stuff, I can guarantee that I'd be begging and pleading for someone to please guide me to the rail and push me overboard so I could try to sooth my eyes in the ocean. Can anyone comment on the legality of pepper spray aboard your own boat throughout the Caribbean or the rest of the world?
__________________
jtsailjt is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:30   #41
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
Re: How to avoid being killed?

In the eastern Caribbean, the Customs forms only ask if you have firearms and/or ammunition. No mention of pepper spray.

However on most, if not all of the Lesser Antilles islands, it's not legal to possess it, so if you use it, you may be at risk of prosecution, depending on the circumstances.

I carried a container of pepper spray in my boat. After the first few islands, I forgot where I stashed it. We experienced only welcoming locals and no threats of any sort, so I quickly concluded there was no need for it--it became irrelevant.
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:31   #42
Registered User
 
ontherocks83's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Boat: Checkmate Strobe 201
Posts: 1,593
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Just remember pepper spray does not effect everyone. Some people are immune to it
__________________
-Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
-Molon Labe
ontherocks83 is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:37   #43
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,022
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Tasers: often regulated.
Dogs: Confiscated and put in rabies quarantine often for 90 days, you could stay at the Ritz for those prices.
Pepper sprays: often regulated.

For that matter, the Chinese adopted chopsticks after one dynasty banned any civilian possession of metal implements, in order to ensure the peasants could have metal weapons of any kind.

Governments have been experienced at banning "weapons" since the throwing rock was invented.

OTOH there are any number of aerosol products that may already be in your paint locker, including plain old spray paint, that say "DO NOT SPRAY IN EYES OR FACE" with good reason.
__________________
hellosailor is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:41   #44
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: north carolina
Boat: command yachtsdouglas32
Posts: 3,113
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by captain58sailin View Post
If you spend your time worrying about being killed, go home, stay home, don't venture out ever again. If you cannot think for yourself about defenses against those whom would harm you, then the most dangerous thing you are doing is leaving home. Yes I am a screamer, spitter, pisser, what ever it takes.
I sure agree with you..From what I am seeing and hearing not a lot of fun to be had among poor folks these days anyway..I know a fellow that retired from his work,sailed his boat over to Bimini a week or so back(went from Keys with a decent weather window and 3-4 other boats)and is now thinking about sailing back to Virgina and getting his job back(he will be 50 years old in a few months and has retired twice from the power company.) Said that everyone he meets has a story of desperation ,and know one is smiling except the people in places that they are obliged to spend money with...Is it any wonder someone would ask "How to Avoid getting killed?" I could not have a good time in an enviroment like this, so I would say, in answer to the question, find a place where people are not particularly depressed and go sailing there,then when the economy turns around ,if it ever does, and people in "island environs" have opportunitys for more people,it should be safer than it seems now(what does one of those fellows sitting on a beach in the carribean think when they look out and see all those people on sailboats and motor yachts having fun in his country and he cant even get a dollar to buy a pack a nabs and a coke cola? ..(I am afraid it will never be like it was in the mid to late part of the last century) or maybe I am wrong..
__________________
tropicalescape is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 11:56   #45
Registered User
 
Freedom45's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Pacific
Boat: Freedom 45 hull#1
Posts: 177
Re: How to avoid being killed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tropicalescape View Post
find a place where people are not particularly depressed and go sailing there,then when the economy turns around ,if it ever does, and people in "island environs" have opportunitys for more people,it should be safer than it seems now
I don't think there is any place on earth (where there are other people) that is "safe" Thomas and Jackie Hawks killed out of Newport Beach Ca.
One will just have to be aware of their environment, stay away from known trouble spots.
__________________

__________________
I Sail, Therefor I ARRrrr...
Freedom45 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
St Lucia murder elhix Atlantic & the Caribbean 462 28-01-2014 18:11
How to Avoid Australian GST as US Citizen Buying Boat in the US and Moving to AUS? jm21 Dollars & Cents 49 21-03-2012 16:24
Short Trip to the Caribbean: Where to Avoid and Where Not to Miss ? yeloya Atlantic & the Caribbean 22 28-02-2012 17:24



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:07.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.