Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-08-2018, 15:21   #16
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 2,086
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

In the beginning...

I started out with the earliest efficient "energy recovery" RO system, the PUR (now Katadyn) PowerSurvivor 35. It worked OK, but there were lots of reported problems with the plastic pump body and overly complex design. So I took the opportunity when presented to upgrade to a PowerSurvivor 40e (using the old motor and membrane), and bought a spare membrane to turn the old pump into a manual one for emergencies. It has worked very well. And was very popular among cruisers until the Spectra unit came along, which cost a bit more but had a much larger output and was also efficient. But that was then...

Today the components to make an RO unit are readily available, and there is no need to pay those ridiculous prices. My friends on 2 boats heading out to go cruising were both looking into building their own systems - until they found this: https://seawaterpro.com/ Why anyone would consider paying $5k when they could get an RO for $1.5K is beyond me. But of course they aren't spending a lot of money on advertising so there is a reason no one has mentioned them yet. Take a close look at them.

Greg
__________________

CarinaPDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2018, 15:53   #17
Registered User

Join Date: May 2012
Boat: CSY44 Pilothouse
Posts: 18
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

The advise of the posts deal mostly with small water makers as they are 12volt. I would like to bring up the advantages of a larger watermaker which we have used now for several years although I do not know the size of your boat. My system consists of a CruiseROWater watermaker, producing 30 gph, and a Honda generator. The advantage is that it is all powered by 110 Volt, and the generator has alternate uses for back up battery charger and in general for using 110 Volt power tools. The system is very affordable and I appreciate the alternate uses of the generator. But you need to have room for the generator. The parts of the watermaker can be spread around the boat.
__________________

Henk Koornstra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2018, 04:23   #18
Registered User
 
Dulcesuenos's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Florida Keys, Bahamas Bound
Boat: 38' French Cat
Posts: 2,974
Images: 4
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falbala60 View Post
Our Lucia promissed for October is planned with a SLCE AquaBase 60 liter/h using 25A. This is the standard option for Fountaine-Pajot.

It uses the same reciprocating high pressure pump as Spectra and some others. It has fully automatic salinity control, automatic flush, remote at navigation table, etc.

The price is quite similar ... 7500€ against 10,000$US for an equivalent Spectra.

Are there actual users of AquaBase in USA able to give some comments ?

If the Lucia will be mainly sailed in the East Coast and Bahamas, is it better to install a Spectra ?
The team at CYOA yacht charters in St Thomas are very experienced with them and have nothing to say but good comments.
Dulcesuenos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2018, 15:17   #19
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 78
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Thanks for all the good, experience-based, reports!
briblack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 08:42   #20
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 10,063
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Henk Koornstra View Post
I would like to bring up the advantages of a larger watermaker which we have used now for several years although I do not know the size of your boat. My system consists of a CruiseROWater watermaker, producing 30 gph, and a Honda generator.
Rich will adapt his high-volume units to work off 12V if desired.

Of course they won't work off most banks without a charge source active for long,

but if you have high-amps input at 12V, it's great to reduce runtimes.
john61ct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 10:12   #21
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 23,637
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Most water makers can be either 12V or 120V by merely changing the motor.
However in my opinion the 12V only really makes sense if you have a very efficient Watermaker, high amp draw 12V rarely is logical, it requires a high amp 12V source, and very few boats have that.

However if your determined, all it takes to make a 120V Watermaker run off of 12V is an inverter, you don’t have to change to a 12V motor. That way when you determine that being able to make water requires the big motor and big alternator isn’t exactly what you want, it’s easy to give in and buy a Honda.
Of course if you have an efficient 12V Watermaker, then you can maybe run it off of your Solar if you have enough.
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 10:28   #22
Marine service provider
 
newhaul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182, 1963 columbia 29 defender. hull # 60
Posts: 6,443
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot View Post
Most water makers can be either 12V or 120V by merely changing the motor.
However in my opinion the 12V only really makes sense if you have a very efficient Watermaker, high amp draw 12V rarely is logical, it requires a high amp 12V source, and very few boats have that.

However if your determined, all it takes to make a 120V Watermaker run off of 12V is an inverter, you don’t have to change to a 12V motor. That way when you determine that being able to make water requires the big motor and big alternator isn’t exactly what you want, it’s easy to give in and buy a Honda.
Of course if you have an efficient 12V Watermaker, then you can maybe run it off of your Solar if you have enough.
my powersurvivor35 runs off 1/4 of my available solar but it only produces about 1.5 gallons per hour so not the most efficient at about 5 amp draw .
So just over 3 amps per gallon but seems to work good for a small boat cruiser.
( didn't hurt it cost me 200 USD to get it either)
__________________
Non illigitamus carborundum
newhaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 14:38   #23
Registered User
 
Franziska's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Panschwitz, Germany
Boat: Woods Mira 35 Catamaran
Posts: 1,204
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

@CarinaPro

Interesting video on seawaterpro.com. Especially if one has a Kärcher already.

How long does the Kärcher last when pumping saltwater for a few hours per day?? Does one flush it after each operation?

Apart from that, the running kit is very noisy.
Any experience if others systems are more quiet?

Prices for the proposed kit are great though.
Franziska is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 14:47   #24
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 2,086
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

I have no personal experience with the linked RO system. One of my friends did talk to the owner of the company and was told that the Karcher pump was very reliable so he didn't recommend spending the extra money on the other pump.


Greg
CarinaPDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 15:09   #25
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 23,637
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

If you build a pressure washer based water maker, carry a spare pressure washer.
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 15:18   #26
Registered User
 
Franziska's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Panschwitz, Germany
Boat: Woods Mira 35 Catamaran
Posts: 1,204
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Good point a64.

Guess I'll write an email to Kärcher to see their take on this.

Personally I think it sounds interesting, but I feel also a fair bit of buy cheap buy twice in it.
Franziska is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 15:34   #27
Registered User
 
Akapeterc's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Scarborough Queensland Australia
Boat: Hunter 44DS
Posts: 245
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Very happy with our H2O On The Go makes 20 L per hour 12 V
Akapeterc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 16:10   #28
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 23,637
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Franziska View Post
Good point a64.

Guess I'll write an email to Kärcher to see their take on this.

Personally I think it sounds interesting, but I feel also a fair bit of buy cheap buy twice in it.


I’d want to see the pressure vessel.
The rest of a Watermaker ought to be readily available off the shelf stuff, but I haven’t seen RO pressure vessels in the local hardware store.
But if the rest of it works well, then nothing says that later you can’t get a decent motor/pump.
The Karchers I have had were very noisy, and just hearing them run, they didn’t sound like continuous duty things to me.
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 16:13   #29
Marine service provider
 
newhaul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182, 1963 columbia 29 defender. hull # 60
Posts: 6,443
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot View Post
I’d want to see the pressure vessel.
The rest of a Watermaker ought to be readily available off the shelf stuff, but I haven’t seen RO pressure vessels in the local hardware store.
But if the rest of it works well, then nothing says that later you can’t get a decent motor/pump.
The Karchers I have had were very noisy, and just hearing them run, they didn’t sound like continuous duty things to me.
here is their pressure vessel supplier
https://www.appliedmembranes.com/fib...-housings.html
__________________
Non illigitamus carborundum
newhaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2018, 16:32   #30
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 2,086
Re: 12 volt watermakers, which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Franziska View Post
Personally I think it sounds interesting, but I feel also a fair bit of buy cheap buy twice in it.

You can always choose the other more expensive pump if it makes you feel more comfortable - being cheap is your choice. Otherwise it looks like typical RO components, at a price reflecting the cost rather than "marine" pricing.


Greg
__________________

CarinaPDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
water, watermaker

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wiring a 24 volt windlass on a 12 volt boat Paul Lefebvre Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 7 12-08-2018 16:34
Three 6 volt batteries and one 8 volt battery Tayana42 Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 14 30-07-2017 14:08
Echo Tech Watermakers 12 Volt Quintessa Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 0 14-08-2013 03:19
direct-charging a six volt bank from a 12 volt charger Jonathan Reiter Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 19 14-12-2011 06:24
6 volt vs 12 volt? mestrezat Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 39 17-02-2009 23:33



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:12.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.