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Old 26-07-2016, 08:53   #2446
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

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Homework?

I thought Jack was the only one who was allowed to assign homework. And his was only reading, not Math!!!
Well you can cheat with your Google Calculator...
It's the answer we are interested in and as I tell my kids:

"A smart man can not just find the answer to a question, but understand what the answer means."
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For those in the Calculation Mode.
Calculate the following:

1. The Amount of CO2 released from the burning of every drop of Oil ever pulled from the ground.

2. Then what percentage of CO2 in the Atmosphere will that be.

3. As an extra credit bonus question, what temperature increase will that said amount of CO2 increase result in.

Bingo...
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Rich,

The results of your proposed calculations are meaningless. CO2 is constantly being added and removed from the atmosphere through processes other than fire. (Almost) everyone knows that the amount of daily CO2 added by fire is a small fraction of the total CO2 entering and leaving the atmosphere by other processes.

Meaningless exercises don't help either side of a debate.
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

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Rich,

The results of your proposed calculations are meaningless. CO2 is constantly being added and removed from the atmosphere through processes other than fire. (Almost) everyone knows that the amount of daily CO2 added by fire is a small fraction of the total CO2 entering and leaving the atmosphere by other processes.

Meaningless exercises don't help either side of a debate.
he is also unaware that coal is a larger emitter of CO2

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Pounds of CO2 emitted per million British thermal units (Btu) of energy for various fuels:

Coal (anthracite) 228.6
Coal (bituminous) 205.7
Coal (lignite) 215.4
Coal (subbituminous) 214.3
Diesel fuel and heating oil 161.3
Gasoline 157.2
Propane 139.0
Natural gas 117.0
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Rich,

The results of your proposed calculations are meaningless. CO2 is constantly being added and removed from the atmosphere through processes other than fire. (Almost) everyone knows that the amount of daily CO2 added by fire is a small fraction of the total CO2 entering and leaving the atmosphere by other processes.

Meaningless exercises don't help either side of a debate.
Ah Amigo...meaningless?
You just called Man Made CO2 meaningless to the issue of MMGW?
I say it's not meaningless after all my dear friend Transmitterdan...I think you just fabulously illustrated the folly and fraud of the MMGW Cult.
Yes...sometimes it is that easy that with three questions and one answer the science is now settled...

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he is also unaware that coal is a larger emitter of CO2
To the contrary...it's all part of my logic trap that sucked you guys right in to expose the absolute fraud that says man's use of oil and coal is changing the Climate.
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To the contrary...it's all part of my logic trap that sucked you guys right in to expose the absolute fraud that says man's use of oil and coal is changing the Climate.
Huh? Of course we are changing the composition of the atmosphere and therefore the amount of energy held by the atmosphere and consequently altering the climate. We are setting constantly a new baseline for our "life made" atmospheric equilibrium. Yes that's right, all life does that to an extent. Our impact is just larger than a lets say a bumble bee's, exactly because we know how to harness fire i.e. in combustion engines.

Without life the composition of the atmosphere and the climate would be completely different. However, evolution always adapts to changing conditions. Short term (in my lifetime) a warmer planet is not too bad except if you are living in a poor country, and long-term (aeons) only a problem if you life near the coast and are a warm-blooded mammal, but great if you a cold-blooded reptile.

Saying that, humans have the capacity to form their environment and will develop this capacity in the future even further.

Is this good or bad? Who knows, but actually I don't care, because right now it is an ongoing process with no end point, no goal that can be reached or target that can be met and far too many variables. It is as it is, always in flux, completely out of our control and needs adjustment all the time.

Yes, that's right, we are not in control! All we can do is open the sunroof and the window on our side, fasten the seatbelt and enjoy the ride!
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...It is as it is, always in flux, completely out of our control and needs adjustment all the time.

Yes, that's right, we are not in control! All we can do is open the sunroof and the window on our side, fasten the seatbelt and enjoy the ride!
Bingo!!!

And the only adjustment needed is our understanding, because we can't adjust the climate.
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

...and someone thought my 3 little questions sere bogus...ha ha ha...not only is brevity the soul of wit, the simplest of questions can expose a lie.
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...and someone thought my 3 little questions sere bogus...ha ha ha...not only is brevity the soul of wit, the simplest of questions can expose a lie.
Really Rich, I would not be too hard on myself. You were not lying intentionally, just your lack of comprehension combined with your very large ego lead to some misinterpretations by you. The usual with you. So do not beat yourself up too hard ...

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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

And no insult taken...Thank you Sir, may I have another.
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And no insult taken...Thank you Sir, may I have another.
It would be nice if you as the MASTER could give me a grade on my troll attepmt

Yes I asked for it
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Ah Amigo...meaningless?
You just called Man Made CO2 meaningless to the issue of MMGW?
I say it's not meaningless after all my dear friend Transmitterdan...I think you just fabulously illustrated the folly and fraud of the MMGW Cult.

I did not make any claim about MMGW. Your proposed calculation is based on no proposed theory and has no basis in reality therefore computing the numbers would prove nothing.

If you follow my posts you know that my opinion is that people are affecting the climate. As Adox pointed out, all living things affect the climate so it would be foolish to argue that living humans are somehow "magically" unable to affect climate.

But I also believe that the planet will equalize itself and we will not be able to drive Earth's climate into a cataclysm.

Those who subscribe to the cataclysmic manmade climate change theories have no valid basis for making their claims. And almost no climate scientists make such concrete claims. Lots of politicians do however but that's another story.

But it is a fact that people affect the climate. Using nonsensical arguments in an attempt to prove otherwise is just as bad as the crazy idea that New York City will be under water by 2100 or claiming the entire Great Barrier Reef has been 90% bleached.

Saying something that isn't true lots of times does not make it true. At least in the real world that's how it is.
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It would be nice if you as the MASTER could give me a grade on my troll attepmt
B- to B+
The key of a good MMGW troll post is to keep it short.
Look, I know people like to rattle on for paragraphs at a time, but 4 out of 5 Jedi Troll masters agree, keeping things short and sweet makes for the best flash-bang toss.

Next, an effective post needs to be a good satirical play on what another MMGW Cultist said, that's the hook. An off topic or off the wall hook rarely gets a nibble. So use part of the Cultists thesis, data set, or fanatical dooms day reference in the troll. That's key, because when you study the group dynamics of a thread, you will find the inability to "let things go" by the MMGW Cultists. So they are very easy to engage and suck into the black hole.

Lastly, humor. You have gotta use some humor in the troll, that A) gives you some cover for if you inadvertently hit their button too hard and they flip out and in a rage of MMGW Hysteria and anger report you to the moderators and B) this is very important...remember this one...humor is a great weapon. If you can get people to laugh at someone, even if on a side-bar point, then it takes away from their overall credibility on other issues. Politicians play this game all the time (well the smarts ones anyway...remember how Dan Quayle was ruined by the Potatoe spilling incident?).

There you have it....MMGW Trolling 101.
For the next class we will dive into advanced tactics, but go ahead and try these and see how they work for you...

Oh and one last thing...if you are not cracking yourself up while you are typing something...then go back and edit it. A good MMGW Troll post should be FUNNY to you and hopefully others.
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Re: Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooli

Meanwhile the nwp is still frozen Environment and Climate Change Canada - Weather and Meteorology - Full resolution map
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The north eastern sea route is a no go as well for the near future.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...l-decades-away.
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