Do we need to be preparing for Arctic cruising strategies because of Global Cooling

[GoingWalkabout]

OK while they are talking about climate warming caused by C02 emissions, scientists are now warning about global cooling. And wait, thats not all. They are saying its because of the change in the activity from the Sun and not because of man made "pollution".

So now we are looking at Global Cooling I am so glad to be preparing for a life aboard a sailboat. I will be able to move to wherever the climate is most favorable and not stuck in some freezing part of the world. :big grin:

"If the World does get cold all over with some places turning to ice do we need to look at Arctic sailing preparations for our sailboats. Just thinking.
A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a “mini ice age” from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.

Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.

Global warming 'is FAKE': Volume of ice caps is INCREASING, claims...
World will start COOLING DOWN in 2017, claims one of planet's top...

However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.

From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen."

[model 10]

Wouldn't that be interesting. Most of these dooms day things happen far into the future. This would be in perhaps my lifetime. I will not live where it's cold. "Have boat will travel."

[Nicholson58]

Here, you need to hang out on this site for a while. Its where we heretics including the non-government funded scientists conduct peer review. Its also where you find that NOAA and NASA have been cooking the books and how. If stuff doesn't make sense, follow the money. Remember, it was only 12,000 years ago that the Midwest was under 6000 feet of ice. We have been experiencing ablation since then. When that pendulum swings the other way it will be with vengeance. Enjoy the Inter-glacial while it lasts.
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[exMaggieDrum]

One of the issues with Artic cruising is where you will get provisions when you go. It will be a while before the infrastructure gets built up and one question would be why? Jimmy Cornell just went up there and found out it is pretty far and between stores and fuel depots.

As far as the whole global warming thing, it is definitely possible that it could go either way. It is definitely possible that man-made emissions could swing it one way. Or not if Mother Nature decides to do something of a bigger nature where the stuff humans put up is only a rounding error.

One thing I don't think is true is that the global scientific community is cooking the books. There are many people who would like to but I don't think they are the ones who have published the majority of the finding about the trends. I find all the conspiracy theories pretty humorous. I think those are cooking their own books. And I think it is a conspiracy that we must all conspire to defeat.

[chadc]

There's been global warming and cooling since before there were ever any man made emissions of any type so all the crap cooked up by various governmental agencies is just that, crap.

[Reefmagnet]

Baloney. Every year in the last five, at least, has been 'hottest on record' according to the boffins.

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[zeehag]

the freeking sky is falling spoke chicken little.............

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Baloney. Every year in the last five, at least, has been 'hottest on record' according to the boffins.

Now that's some Baloney. First time I've heard this specific bit of alarmist nonsense.


Which boffins would they be? And what records would they be. Over what period?

There are four primary temperature data sets that I am aware of.

Even the most alarmist, adjusted one GISTEMP doesn't show anything of the sort:

Wood for Trees: Interactive Graphs

and the more reliable satellite records show a far less alarming picture:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss...o:2015/mean:12


Reference please?

[MarkJ]

I think Walkabout is correct.
I looked at the sun yesterday and its definitely SMALLER! I got up extra early this morning and, yep, sunrise its just a piddler. Tiny.

So I rang NASA and after I reported it they told me: "you're an f'ing ijiot with the brain the size of a Christmas turkeys". Then they hung up on me!!

So its a COVER UP! That's exactly what they would do, isn't it? Hang up on me instead of sending the Space Shuttle up to check my FACTS.
I bet the CIA is in on it TOO!

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!


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[boatman61]

****...!!!!

I only just finished preparing for Zombies....

[GoingWalkabout]

Forget the Zombies. We need more anti-freeze.

Less powerful sun. I think I will go short on sunglass stocks. The profits I make will help me buy the best anti-freeze and Arctic weather clothes.

[four winds]

Originally Posted by exMaggieDrum

One of the issues with Artic cruising is where you will get provisions when you go. It will be a while before the infrastructure gets built up and one question would be why? Jimmy Cornell just went up there and found out it is pretty far and between stores and fuel depots.

As far as the whole global warming thing, it is definitely possible that it could go either way. It is definitely possible that man-made emissions could swing it one way. Or not if Mother Nature decides to do something of a bigger nature where the stuff humans put up is only a rounding error.

One thing I don't think is true is that the global scientific community is cooking the books. There are many people who would like to but I don't think they are the ones who have published the majority of the finding about the trends. I find all the conspiracy theories pretty humorous. I think those are cooking their own books. And I think it is a conspiracy that we must all conspire to defeat.

Quoting exMaggieDrum just to repeat it. Best post on the topic I've read on the forum.

Except the "why?" on the Arctic. Would love to see it in it's current environment and have enjoyed daydreaming of an expedition boat and a fat wallet.

[leftbrainstuff]

Originally Posted by Going Walkabout

OK while they are talking about climate warming caused by C02 emissions, scientists are now warning about global cooling. And wait, thats not all. They are saying its because of the change in the activity from the Sun and not because of man made "pollution".

So now we are looking at Global Cooling I am so glad to be preparing for a life aboard a sailboat. I will be able to move to wherever the climate is most favorable and not stuck in some freezing part of the world. :big grin:

"If the World does get cold all over with some places turning to ice do we need to look at Arctic sailing preparations for our sailboats. Just thinking.
A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a “mini ice age” from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.

Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.

Global warming 'is FAKE': Volume of ice caps is INCREASING, claims...
World will start COOLING DOWN in 2017, claims one of planet's top...

However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.

From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen."

The current doom and gloom seems to think that temperature may rise (or from your data fall) by x degrees this century.

Personally I'm more concerned with human induced destruction I can see now. Overfishing, over tourism, rampant consumerism, stupid bureaucracy, obstinance against renewable and off grid energy.

If sea water temps do rise I'll guess i'll be concerned about ocean acidification. As I have a fibreglass vessel with epoxy below the waterline I'll only be concerned about the metal bits immersed in sea water.

Unfortunately the complete set of facts about (insert trendy or doomsday chemical compound here) is incomplete.

Firstly because the scientifically untrained media, bureaucrats and dumbed down minority groups pick and chose which facts they like.

Secondly because climate science is a very complex adaptive system which behaves like a wicked problem.

We cant even predict the weather out more than a few days. So you certainly cant convince me that we'll experience x in 50 or 100 years. There are many overlapping climate cycles which act in indeterminate ways.

Wicked problems get solved iteratively and constantly morph into different problems. So the way to tackle climate change is to start now, start small and solve clearly defined problems that exist today. It also involves disrupting the status quo.

For example Australia banging on about solving climate change by introducing a carbon tax is ludicrous when the country is trying to dump its coal and iron ore on the rest of the world.

Climate related undesirable climate change will only be solved by science and engineering. Not by politics, economic or tax shape shifting.

There will also be desirable climate change. New coral reefs, sun filled resorts in Siberia, new coastlines and opportunities to make a killing in seaside property, increased crop yields and redistributed rainfall in arid areas...


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[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by Going Walkabout

Less powerful sun. I think I will go short on sunglass stocks. The profits I make will help me buy the best anti-freeze and Arctic weather clothes.

Crazy! Go LONG on sunglass stocks: Snow blindness you'll make a killing

[Foozinator]

Originally Posted by StuM

Now that's some Baloney. First time I've heard this specific bit of alarmist nonsense.


Which boffins would they be? And what records would they be. Over what period?

There are four primary temperature data sets that I am aware of.

Even the most alarmist, adjusted one GISTEMP doesn't show anything of the sort:

Wood for Trees: Interactive Graphs

and the more reliable satellite records show a far less alarming picture:

Wood for Trees: Interactive Graphs


Reference please?

Careful not to pick a range that specifically supports your argument

Full Wood for Trees dataset