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Old 05-02-2014, 06:47   #661
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Re: Alpha 42 "Be Good Too" rescue 300 miles off Cape Henry Merged

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Could you please explain this difference?
The captain originally stated that they were reaching at 8kts when hit by a massive rogue wave that immediately shoved them violently backwards onto their rudders.

Doane's original statement was that they were forereaching at 4kts when a large wave broke over their bow and slowed the boat to a stop - possibly even moving it backwards a bit.

You can drive a truck through the physics gap between those two statements.

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Old 05-02-2014, 07:04   #662
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The captain originally stated that they were reaching at 8kts when hit by a massive rogue wave that immediately shoved them violently backwards onto their rudders.

Doane's original statement was that they were forereaching at 4kts when a large wave broke over their bow and slowed the boat to a stop - possibly even moving it backwards a bit.

You can drive a truck through the physics gap between those two statements.

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Old 07-02-2014, 01:11   #663
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Re: Alpha 42 "Be Good Too" rescue 300 miles off Cape Henry Merged

Any news on where the Alpha 42 is now?
Maybe mr.Tarjan can pick it up just outside Long Island?
I think it's weird not to hear anything about salvage attempts
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:44   #664
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Re: Alpha 42 "Be Good Too" rescue 300 miles off Cape Henry Merged

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I think it's weird not to hear anything about salvage attempts
Who is interested in salvage among the parties? If you where the owner you would feel pretty confident that either your insurance company or the manufacturer is going to pay up. The owners insurance company is most likely going to deny the claim due to manufacturing defects. Targin was just the broker so his liability is limited. So it leaves Alpha Yachts.

If Alpha does spend the major amount of money to locate and salvage the boat it most likely would still be a total loss at this point. They would have to redo all the mechanical systems and interior due to it taking on so much water. Then who is going to buy it and for what price. Alpha is probably going to have to take the $500k loss and move on, if they can.
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Who is interested in salvage among the parties? If you where the owner you would feel pretty confident that either your insurance company or the manufacturer is going to pay up. The owners insurance company is most likely going to deny the claim due to manufacturing defects. Targin was just the broker so his liability is limited. So it leaves Alpha Yachts.

If Alpha does spend the major amount of money to locate and salvage the boat it most likely would still be a total loss at this point. They would have to redo all the mechanical systems and interior due to it taking on so much water. Then who is going to buy it and for what price. Alpha is probably going to have to take the $500k loss and move on, if they can.
I am firstly thinking about Alpha Yachts' reputation,as this is the beginning for them. I would think it is in their interest to find the bad elements, rectify and explain to customers.
Secondly, it's not good to just leave the crap in the ocean
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I am firstly thinking about Alpha Yachts' reputation,as this is the beginning for them. I would think it is in their interest to find the bad elements, rectify and explain to customers.
Secondly, it's not good to just leave the crap in the ocean
I agree...

-Find the yacht
-Bring it home
-Analyze the damage
-Evaluate the engineering shortcomings
-Engineer the solutions (if needed) or describe the operational errors/meteorological conditions that defeated a well-engineered boat
-Report the findings and actions broadly
-Install solutions in Be Good Too if needed
-Give the boat back to the original owners

The alternative is to take action based on reports of those who were there...which seem to have voids in knowledge needed to definitively describe why what happened did happen.
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Re: Alpha 42 "Be Good Too" rescue 300 miles off Cape Henry Merged

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I am firstly thinking about Alpha Yachts' reputation,as this is the beginning for them. I would think it is in their interest to find the bad elements, rectify and explain to customers.
Secondly, it's not good to just leave the crap in the ocean
If Alpha doesn't "find it" I'll bet they pay top dollar to get it... If recovered, first right from insurance goes to owner (assuming total loss)... probably 8% of covered value... Seems like the owner would do Alpha a favor and sell it to them... Still on good relationship terms???

If a third party ended up with it, and decided to "blog" the defects and refit process... Alpha would want at all costs $$$$$$ to avoid this... It would be the end of the Apha cat production... End of story...
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I agree...

-Find the yacht
-Bring it home
-Analyze the damage
-Evaluate the engineering shortcomings
-Engineer the solutions (if needed) or describe the operational errors/meteorological conditions that defeated a well-engineered boat
-Report the findings and actions broadly
-Install solutions in Be Good Too if needed
-Give the boat back to the original owners

The alternative is to take action based on reports of those who were there...which seem to have voids in knowledge needed to definitively describe why what happened did happen.
-Face the possibility of a lawsuit from the owners !
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:18   #669
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-Face the possibility of a lawsuit from the owners !
Oh... I'm pretty sure where they signed on the line in 40 point caps DO YOU TAKE DELIVERY OF THE BOAT?....

Somewhere included in 6 point faded text were the words of "we are held responsible for nothing once you take delivery"
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I am not sure that the last few posts are the true reason the boat isn't getting salvaged.

How does everyone suggest they actually find the boat? Mr needle, meet Mr Haystack....
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Re: Alpha 42 "Be Good Too" rescue 300 miles off Cape Henry Merged

I wonder if Professional Delivery Captain Hank carries any professional liability insurance. If not, he is very vulnerable to have someone goes after his nest egg. Every business entity and professionals carry liability insurance. Even if he wins, he will lose big time and be eating alive by the lawyers.
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I am not sure that the last few posts are the true reason the boat isn't getting salvaged.

How does everyone suggest they actually find the boat? Mr needle, meet Mr Haystack....
I am sure the owner must have the tracking device(s) on board. Not sure how long it will last. But if I were the owner, I doubt I will post on CF.
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What such tracking device is usually carried on boats? Epirb would have been shut off on rescue
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What such tracking device is usually carried on boats? Epirb would have been shut off on rescue

Well.. if it had AIS its not in range... maybe Shipping has been asked to report AIS signals picked up..??
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Well.. if it had AIS its not in range... maybe Shipping has been asked to report AIS signals picked up..??
I seem to recall that they lost electrics and power generation fairly early on. I doubt that the boat will be transmitting AIS at this stage.
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