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rsn48 · 14-06-2007, 12:18

Here is a link to where the majority of your oil and gas has been coming from and will be coming from. The article listed above is fear mongering so I suspect it is serving some kind of political agenda somewhere. Here are some links to what you are putting in your car. Check out the second link to see an interesting statistic:

http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/89.asp

http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/docs/oil/pdfs/AB_OilReserves.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml

Tspringer · 14-06-2007, 12:56

Much like the entire Global Warming issue.... the real underlying issue relative to oil and energy issues in general has more to do with population growth than anything else.

We can decry hunger, global warming, food scarcities, disease..... name your poison. But on a root level you cannot escape uncontrolled population growth as a primary cause.

Terry

schoonerdog · 14-06-2007, 13:16

RSN48,

Jeez, 1 TRILLION barrels of oil maybe underneath!!! You know, Canada also has some of the worlds biggest uranium mines. Canada is certainly sitting pretty now, isn't it!

44'cruisingcat · 14-06-2007, 14:37

Everyone seems to focus on the fuel or oil side of running out of crude. That would be a minor problem compared to the effects of being unable to produce the other synthetic materials we get from oil. Try to imagine life without plastics, electronics, electricity.....even most medicines have components made from crude - the list is endless.

TaoJones · 14-06-2007, 17:05

The problem with assuming the world will have x amount of oil remaining for x number of years at current levels of consumption is that only an idiot would believe that consumption will remain at present levels in the foreseeable future when China and India are developing rapidly and demanding their fair share of diminishing supplies. If China and India produce a middle class proportionately equivalent to the percentage in already developed industrial societies, the increased demand for scarce supplies will drive the prevailing price of oil, and its refined by-products, through the roof.

The effect in societies like that of the United States will be that all of those suburban and exurban developments that blossomed in the outlying areas around industrial city cores will become ghost towns. It was only the artificially-low cost of gasoline in America that gave people the option of choosing "a better quality of life" away from city cores, while still heavily reliant on the economic benefits of a thriving industrial base at the cities' centers.

When the first "oil shock" hit in the 70s, many families still had the option of having "Mom" leave the home and return to the workforce to make ends meet. But now that most families already have two income earners, what options exist to earn more income so that the exurban lifestyle can be maintained? It clearly won't be refinancing the house and "living off the equity." With house prices declining, that source of funds has been tapped out, and few Americans actually have any equity in their McMansions.

If and when gasoline and heating oil prices in the US move to market levels, the ensuing pain will be intense, and America will not be a pleasant place to live.

TaoJones

senormechanico · 14-06-2007, 19:48

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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Everyone seems to focus on the fuel or oil side of running out of crude. That would be a minor problem compared to the effects of being unable to produce the other synthetic materials we get from oil. Try to imagine life without plastics, electronics, electricity.....even most medicines have components made from crude - the list is endless.

A company in Missouri is turning turkey guts into oil.

Turkey Fuel? Factory to Turn Guts Into Crude Oil

Steve B.

Benny · 14-06-2007, 20:46

One answer to the rising food prices due to biofuel production and it's consequential hunger problems is to consider the processing and easy availability of a new frood source - Soylent Green. It would eventually solve the overpopulation problem too along with practising euthanasia on the less entitled members of our socities - what do you say - let's give it a try.

CaptainK · 14-06-2007, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Benny

One answer to the rising food prices due to biofuel production and it's consequential hunger problems is to consider the processing and easy availability of a new frood source - Soylent Green. It would eventually solve the overpopulation problem too along with practising euthanasia on the less entitled members of our socities - what do you say - let's give it a try.

Love that old classic.

Soylent Green is made from dead people!! Yelled out by Charlton Heston.

Ya know. That could happen in real life. Ya never know?!!

Soylent Green (1973)

TaoJones · 14-06-2007, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Benny

. . . practising euthanasia on the less entitled members of our socities . . .

Who determines what constitutes being "less entitled?" And who chooses those who make that determination?

TaoJones

Benny · 14-06-2007, 21:25

Why WE do of course - only savvy and knowledgable boaters are qualified to make the important decisions in the world - just peruse many of the threads on this site and you will find answers to nearly every human dilema - what more could you ask for in guiding the destiny of mankind?

Lancerbye · 14-06-2007, 21:25

I think that this has already been done several times in a variety of places around the world. And it flourishes as we comment. Just keep the wars going but go lower tech. These high tech wars waste way too much fuel. Lets go back to spears and arrows but with greater engagement. Solves several problems. Lowers world population growth, maintains employment, and saves our energy for those who really deserve it. The more entitled. TIC

CaptainK · 14-06-2007, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Lancerbye

I think that this has already been done several times in a variety of places around the world. And it flourishes as we comment. Just keep the wars going but go lower tech. These high tech wars waste way too much fuel. Lets go back to spears and arrows but with greater engagement. Solves several problems. Lowers world population growth, maintains employment, and saves our energy for those who really deserve it. The more entitled. TIC

Ah-ha!!

Arena gladiator fighting. Now that is a "real" blood sport.

The US Judical System should bring that back for the hard core convicted criminals. That would solve our over crowded prison and jail system, real quick. Including illegal border crossers.

Benny · 14-06-2007, 21:32

Now that's the spirit Lancerbye - these wars could be televised as reality TV - ratings would soar and more wars would spring up just to be competitive for prime time. Not only would we solve those problems you mentioned but we would be entertained ass well. Good idea.