Anchor Selection Advice New Hunter 38'

[chasfgr]

I fear, that all anchor designs are specific to the sea-bottom they are trying to penetrate.
Most modern anchors seem ideal for fairly soft bottoms, whereas nothing touches an old-fashioned Admiralty on rock.
My bower is a Mantus (bought on price and support from designer), the aft is a Delta and my spare anchors are a Swedish rock pick and a CQR (the original with the boat.
Nothing touches really digging the anchor in in reverse. 2000r pm means you'll never shift up to about Bf 7.
I've neen in an anchorage with 6 boats where 4 disappeared downwind and the 5th hung on to me until I demanded they let me row out their bower.
The problem occurs when you get gusts from many different direction as happens with a deep passing single cell, where you get winds from 3 different points of the compass.

[flightlead404]

Thanks all. Heading to FL to close next week so I'll count the pockets on the gypsy but I'm pretty sure its the RC172.

So I'll pick up a correctly sized Rocna or Mantus and 200' 5/16" G43 HT ISO chain, and a fortress for the stern. Repurpose 25' of the existing chain and 150' 3-strand for that, and stash the undersized Delta and remaining chain for now.

[desodave]

I went with Titan Hi Test G43 5/16" chain;
https://titanmarineproducts.com/prod...ass-chain-g43/

To be certain, take your gipsy in with you and run some of the chain through it. The proof coil has different dimensions to it - the Titan wire is a bit thicker and the link a bit longer.

I was on the boat today but forgot to bring my windlass manual home with me or to take a picture of relevant page - the boat's about 45 min away. Not back there until Sunday.

It's a Sprint Atlantic windlass on my 2006 H38. However, SL uses the same gipsy on different windlass's. I downloaded this manual from the SL Spares site for an Anchorman Sprint and it has the various chain sizes that the RC 172 will take.

By the way, it was recommended to me to use 5/8 rope with it, not the 9/16. That's what I got and it works well.

[flightlead404]

I ran 5/16" G43 through it yesterday. A couple of feet back and forth, tied to a bungee so it was loaded up some. Works great.

Dave, do you have line spliced to your chain? I've been recommended 8-plait but the Lewmar manual specifically recommends against multi-plait line and recommends 3-strand laid line.

[sail sfbay]

flightlead404, Lewmar recommends a premium quality, windlass grade, medium lay, 3-strand nylon rope OR a premium multi-plait nylon anchor rode per https://www.lewmar.com/node/1180. Lewmar sells a combination G43 (G4) chain with 8 plait anchor rode (see link below) with the line already spliced into the chain. When I purchased my rode and chain I had the local West Marine rigger splice the line to the chain. The reason is it mitigates the risk of getting caught up, i.e., smoother operation, on the bow roller and windlass.

https://lewmar.factoryoutletstore.co...gitemid=381587

[desodave]

Originally Posted by flightlead404

I ran 5/16" G43 through it yesterday. A couple of feet back and forth, tied to a bungee so it was loaded up some. Works great.

Dave, do you have line spliced to your chain? I've been recommended 8-plait but the Lewmar manual specifically recommends against multi-plait line and recommends 3-strand laid line.

Yes - I have 200ft of 5/8 nylon 3 strand spliced to 150ft of 5/16 G43. Trotac (where I bought everything) did it while I was there to save me another drive. Get yourself a chain hook or a bridle while you're at it for those nights you're anchoring on the chain.

[flightlead404]

Cheers all. Got a good deal in Miami from Miami cordage. 200 ft domestic acco 5/16” hot dip g43. I got 50’ of 5/8” 8 plait spliced to it. Got another 150’ of 8-plait with the end spliced to a thimble too for a fortress for the stern. Almost as cheap as defender when you figure in their 250 freight charge. Will pick it up next week.

[flightlead404]

Originally Posted by sail sfbay

flightlead404, Lewmar recommends a premium quality, windlass grade, medium lay, 3-strand nylon rope OR a premium multi-plait nylon anchor rode per https://www.lewmar.com/node/1180. Lewmar sells a combination G43 (G4) chain with 8 plait anchor rode (see link below) with the line already spliced into the chain. When I purchased my rode and chain I had the local West Marine rigger splice the line to the chain. The reason is it mitigates the risk of getting caught up, i.e., smoother operation, on the bow roller and windlass.

https://lewmar.factoryoutletstore.co...gitemid=381587

I made a mistake when I said "Lewmar" I meant Simpson Lawrence. In the manual for the windlass (Sprint 1000) it specifically says "For combined anchor rope/chain installations; (i) Use three strand rope only, multi-plait rope should not be used;"

However I got several recommendations to use it anyway. Worst case I'll cut it off and replace with 3-strand if it doesn't work. Not like 50' of 8-plait won't come in handy anyway.

Will report back when I have the rode in hand.

[flightlead404]

The 5/16” G43 and 8-plait loaded up well. I spun the boat in the slip, had the rode in a dock cart, and used the windlass to pull it in. Other than the chain piling up a little no issues and the rope/chain splice went smoothly.

The 20kg Rocna original fits in the H38 bow roller fine, and I can use the original pin though the roller and anchor. The anchor does self-right coming up but I have to do it slowly otherwise it can swing and hit the bow.

Spent my first night on the hook in north Lake Worth last night gusting over 20kts. Other than the boat sailing around pretty good the anchor was fine. 5:1 with 25’ nylon snubber.

When we were setting the anchor as I hit around 2:1 the ancho set unmistakably, that is I almost went ass over tip as the boat came up hard.

[desodave]

Glad that it worked well for you. When the Rocna sets, it really does set. Probably brought up a lot of mud too

[flightlead404]

Originally Posted by desodave

Glad that it worked well for you. When the Rocna sets, it really does set. Probably brought up a lot of mud too

haha indeed it did!

[mystic_voyager]

I have 1990 Pearson 38-2 and cruise similar waters. My primary anchor is a 45lbs Manson Supreme which has never failed me. My secondary / storm anchor is a Fortress. Depending on the situation I run one of three anchor rides: 200’ 5/16” HT4 / G4 chain, 60’ 5/16” HT4 / G4 chain with 200’ 5/8” nylon rode, or 30’ 5/16” HT4 / G4 chain with 200’ 5/8” nylon rode. I would stay away from proof coil chain if a windlass is to be used as few modern windlasses are fitted with a gypsy designed for proof coil chain.