Sailing Zatara causing some Pacific ripples

[OloteleMtn]

Well by all means just ban going there for everyone, that fixed that problem. Now, about your naughty bits, snip snip.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by paralog

Texan's and Americans - rules don't apply to us, our president says it ok.

Same as the one who are entering Canada on the way to Alaska and stopping when they are not supposed to.

Where did THAT come from? What are you talking about?

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

Making YouTube videos pays better than mask cosplay, besides the crew appears to be in good health, risk of death seems very low, threat matrix wise I’d agree with their call, they are much more economically at risk than physically at risk, especially seeing how there are still a good amount of people hiding at home bored watching YouTube. Bills don’t pay themselves, adventures don’t happen hiding at home.

I vehemently disagree with your logic.

These googans are self-absorbed narcissists of the highest order.

Their complete disregard for the laws of the Pacific Island nations only brings ill-feelings from the islanders towards other cruisers.

I personally wish they had been denied entry as were the idiots on the vessel S/V Arka Kinari who left Hawaii and illegally anchored in the Marshalls until they were chased off, then attempted to enter Majuro and were denied entry, then asked to enter FSM and were turned away. They finally made landfall in Guam and are now quarantined in a government facility.

I can only hope folks like this have their vessel impounded, repatriated to their country of origin, and denied further visas in the Pacific.

If this seems harsh...it is...these arrogant a$$hats ruin it for everyone in their wake.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

So edgy

Turning the TV and Facebook off and looking around, aside from folks wearing masks, things are about the same, the streets arnt lined with the dead, the horsemen arnt here.
Crazy how a country that’s soo stupid leads the world in economics, military, science, space, entertainment, etc. This stuff reminds me of all the rich college kids anti American tirades they’d make as they closed out their bar tab tab with their parents credit.

If you want to be angry at a country over this virus, might I recommend china?

give it another 3 weeks when there are 1 million new cases everyday,then doubling every 3 days or so

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by Dogscout

We have the RIGHT to criticize anyone we dam well please.

And I have the right to point out the expression is "damn (or 'damned') well please."

A structure built to hold back a body of water are not part of the expression.

Yes, anybody has a right to criticize anybody else in an open forum such as this. But when it's done with a blatant bias, one shouldn't be too surprised when they get called on it.

[Audeamus]

While New Zealand was locked down and you could be arrested for leaving your house these guys were busy sailing around making videos of the different anchorages they were visiting - draw your own conclusions.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by Tillsbury

Excellent idea. We'd just rather you stayed in Texas while you catch up, that's all.

"Catch up"??? Give us a break.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by Discovery 15797

I vehemently disagree with your logic.

These googans are self-absorbed narcissists of the highest order.

Their complete disregard for the laws of the Pacific Island nations only brings ill-feelings from the islanders towards other cruisers.

I personally wish they had been denied entry as were the idiots on the vessel S/V Arka Kinari who left Hawaii and illegally anchored in the Marshalls until they were chased off, then attempted to enter Majuro and were denied entry, then asked to enter FSM and were turned away. They finally made landfall in Guam and are now quarantined in a government facility.

I can only hope folks like this have their vessel impounded, repatriated to their country of origin, and denied further visas in the Pacific.

If this seems harsh...it is...these arrogant a$$hats ruin it for everyone in their wake.

So what rules did they violate?

According to the original article they didn’t break any laws, hoping a government would use force to take their boat and threaten violence if they dared to travel, that’s not a path historically that turns out so hot.

Originally Posted by Audeamus

While New Zealand was locked down and you could be arrested for leaving your house these guys were busy sailing around making videos of the different anchorages they were visiting - draw your own conclusions.

That’s scary

Originally Posted by atoll

give it another 3 weeks when there are 1 million new cases everyday,then doubling every 3 days or so

Ah yes, the end is in three weeks, nothing, another 3 weeks, nada, another three weeks for sure this time!!!! Nope

“ Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a group forms a quick opinion that matches the group consensus, rather than critically evaluating the information. Mass hysteria can be seen as an extreme example of groupthink.”
https://www.verywellmind.com/underst...pthink-2671595

This virus first broke out of china in January, the proof is in the pudding, that was like 26 weeks ago, time to symptoms is about 2 weeks.

Good break down of it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWzWXDEjjUA

But aside from all that, you got some you tubers who BROKE ZERO RULES, who promote crusing, and who committed the horrible crime of having a different opinion than you, but a opinion many people do share, and folks here are frothing at the mouth over it.
It’s odd

[aljunina]

I am simply echoing a specialist doctor freind of mine who lives in Houston. However whilst on the USof A. The reason the US is such an economic power house is size, so please don't get too excited over American exceptionalism. If Australia was that size population we would have done a much better job. Free health care comprehensive social security, gun control yet we stand for the same freedoms and principles.

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

So edgy

Turning the TV and Facebook off and looking around, aside from folks wearing masks, things are about the same, the streets arnt lined with the dead, the horsemen arnt here.
Crazy how a country that’s soo stupid leads the world in economics, military, science, space, entertainment, etc. This stuff reminds me of all the rich college kids anti American tirades they’d make as they closed out their bar tab with their parents credit card.

If you want to be angry at a country over this virus, might I recommend china?

[OloteleMtn]

Originally Posted by Audeamus

While New Zealand was locked down and you could be arrested for leaving your house these guys were busy sailing around making videos of the different anchorages they were visiting - draw your own conclusions.

Were they making landfall and spreading their onerous presence with the sainted Kiwis or were they socially distancing aboard their vessel in various portions of the water, and where were the water police? As their house is a boat, they park it by setting the anchor, like your car can get parked in different places. How DARE they??!!

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by Wallaby

The last time I checked, Tonga is actually the Kingdom of Tonga, a constitutional monarchy that is a sovereign state . What this means is Tonga gets to make its own rules for all of its 169 +/- islands. If Tonga says it is closed to tourists, Tonga is closed. FULL STOP. Americans do not get to decide otherwise. Any discussion of Covid-19 is irrelevant.

And last time I checked (about five seconds before typing this), Fiji is a sovereign state, as well. Fiji has somewhat opened up it's borders, and Minerva Reefs are actually WITHIN Fiji's Exclusive Economic Zone, NOT Tonga's. There are NO inhabitants, and Tonga's present interest in the area is apparently that of protecting it from over-fishing, mostly from large Chinese long-range fishing
vessels.

Be careful you don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by OloteleMtn

American Samoa is open for US citizens and nationals only, for resupply only, at the moment; Hawaii or other US territory are other possible destinations for Zatara. Some of you seem to wish to impose your will on their choices, a rather totalitarian position to take. The virus has been politicized far beyond its capacity for harm, and is being used to cage your mind, body , and spirit.

American Samoa is not 'open.' US citizens who are not residents may not be granted entry.

Here are the guidelines on noon site

All entry permits will be suspended until further notice (including those for foreign nationals).
Travelers from all States, Territories and foreign countries are required to be COVID-19 tested with negative results revealed, in order to enter American Samoa.
Travelers will be subject to quarantine at the discretion of DOH physicians.
For US travelers see above link for the protocol for entry (page 6). Entry is not automatically granted.
See https://www.americansamoa.gov/ for updates.

And here is the Governor's order suspending travel until August 1, 2020

The Marshall Islands, also a US territory just turned away a vessel.

Nobody likes the current situation.

But, we are guests and visitors in their countries / territories....respect their damn laws or move back to ConUS.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by aljunina

I am simply echoing a specialist doctor freind of mine who lives in Houston. However whilst on the USof A. The reason the US is such an economic power house is size, so please don't get too excited over American exceptionalism. If Australia was that size population we would have done a much better job. Free health care comprehensive social security, gun control yet we stand for the same freedoms and principles.

Russia is pretty big, yet military wise and economics wise they are inferior to the state of Texas.

I know any praise of the US gets people all hot and bothered
which country gives more foreign aid?
How many counties spilled tons of blood to fight a war to end slavery, to later have a black man as president?
Who has the best space program?
Heck just the bill of rights alone?

Plus per capita of those who went to the hospital for this virus, 1/2 as many died in US care compared to say the UK.

It’s just crazy when folks talk about the virus that the US catches so damn much misguided flack... before china even.. the place that started this damn pandemic lol

Oy vey

[atoll]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

Ah yes, the end is in three weeks, nothing, another 3 weeks, nada, another three weeks for sure this time!!!! Nope

GOOD LUCK with exponential spread ,at least god is on your side..apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...RJ9BME&feature

[OloteleMtn]

[QUOTE=Discovery 15797;3179443]American Samoa is not 'open.' US citizens who are not residents may not be granted entry.

Can't speak to the Marshalls, other than its jurisdiction is unique...here in American Samoa, as i said, it is open for resupply only and subsequent departure, for US persons only. It was reported on the radio, and i live here. Consistency is not very consistent here, but then i saw a ferry from (western) Samoa here the other day, and there aren't supposed to be any of them, either.