Sailing Zatara causing some Pacific ripples

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by atoll

GOOD LUCK with exponential spread ,at least god is on your side..apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...RJ9BME&feature

Sorry to say that there are a lot of morons here in the states. Our WUHAN numbers are an embarrassment.

We should be ashamed.

[smj]

Originally Posted by atoll

GOOD LUCK with exponential spread ,at least god is on your side..apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...RJ9BME&feature

Which god?.......I always get confused by that one.

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

So what rules did they violate?

According to the original article they didn’t break any laws, hoping a government would use force to take their boat and threaten violence if they dared to travel, that’s not a path historically that turns out so hot.

IF they should anchor at the Minerva Reefs, even though it is disputed territory it is part of a sovereign nation. Currently the South Pacific Forum recognizes Minerva Reefs as part of Tonga.

Nobody said anything about "using force" or "threaten violence."

When a person enters a country illegally, the government of that country doesn't need to use force to confiscate property or repatriate those individuals.

Declaring that you are knowingly going to violate a countries laws makes you a criminal.

They can travel...they can't stop.

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by OloteleMtn

Consistency is not very consistent here,

That's what keeps life in the islands interesting

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by atoll

GOOD LUCK with exponential spread ,at least god is on your side..apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...RJ9BME&feature

Right, any day now the end will be near, just yet another 2 weeks and its curtains

Also as someone who worked EMS, I'm personally confident death is just a fade to black, bloat and pop and bug food.

Originally Posted by Saleen411

Sorry to say that there are a lot of morons here in the states. Our WUHAN numbers are an embarrassment.

We should be ashamed.

Ashamed of having half the in hospital death rate of the UK per capita?

Originally Posted by Discovery 15797

IF they should anchor at the Minerva Reefs, even though it is disputed territory it is part of a sovereign nation. Currently the South Pacific Forum recognizes Minerva Reefs as part of Tonga.

Nobody said anything about "using force" or "threaten violence."

When a person enters a country illegally, the government of that country doesn't need to use force to confiscate property or repatriate those individuals.

Declaring that you are knowingly going to violate a countries laws makes you a criminal.

They can travel...they can't stop.

You cant take others stuff without the threat of violence, also that article said nothing about any of that, the article sounds like they didnt do much of anything illegal?

[clockwork orange]

I'm confused, people keep asking what rule they broke? It clearly says in the original article that they were denied entry but made the decision to go anyway. Seems pretty clear to me, What am I missing here?

[bcboomer]

Originally Posted by Brewgyver

Exaggeration is a form of fiction. Using the totally non-specific term "Covid", was that on purpose?

What? You didn't understand that I was referring to Covid-19?
You think 50,000 is an exaggeration? Check Wikipedia. Check any legitimate source.
There is no fiction about the number of people who have suffered from this disease. The great unknown is what the lasting health effects will be for those who have recovered. Long term lung and heart problems are probable. Nope, not proven but probable.
Put on your tin hat and be happy.

[arsenelupiga]

life is NOT adventure for covid locked especially in cities, and this may go on and on and on until economies/order stop functioning. so these guys providing some excitement, including travel during plague times for these city prisoners.

Good on them, sure they will increase viewing numbers. Especially if they not allowed entry and this turns into fight for survival.

You all should be thankful someone is ready to provide that sense of adventure for price of press of subscribe button.

sure next episode will be ready shortly !

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by clockwork orange

I'm confused, people keep asking what rule they broke? It clearly says in the original article that they were denied entry but made the decision to go anyway. Seems pretty clear to me, What am I missing here?

"Minerva, named Teleki Tonga and Teleki Tokelau, is part of the HMAF regular patrol operations, and Tonga regards the reefs as part of its territory even though they are outside the official EEZ"

So even though its not part of anything they actually have authority over...
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ia/minerva.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Law_of_the_Sea

"he navy officer said that Tonga offers a safe haven for yachts at Minerva “depending on the weather” and yacht crews may collect food for themselves there.

However, they did not know that the ‘Sailing Zatara’ was intending to come to Minerva this weekend, until Matangi Tonga asked for comment.

“The vessel may stay only while the patrol boat is there, and when the patrol boat leaves, they must leave,” he said."

So seems like a "nothing to see here" times two

[Discovery 15797]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

You cant take others stuff without the threat of violence, also that article said nothing about any of that, the article sounds like they didnt do much of anything illegal?

So..according to you...anytime the law enforcement authorities of a sovereign nation (or state) detains or arrests a person, or legally confiscates property that is illegally taken into its country they do so with "the threat of violence." That's certainly an interesting perspective.

WRT to "they didn't do much of anything illegal"...if you actually did a little investigation you would know they are currently anchored at Minerva Reef, thus they have illegally entered Tonga territory without clearing in as required and against the express warning from the Tongan government.

The Tongan government is within its full authority to decide their fate.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by Discovery 15797

So..according to you...anytime the law enforcement authorities of a sovereign nation (or state) detains or arrests a person, or legally confiscates property that is illegally taken into its country they do so with "the threat of violence." That's certainly an interesting perspective.

WRT to "they didn't do much of anything illegal"...if you actually did a little investigation you would know they are currently anchored at Minerva Reef, thus they have illegally entered Tonga territory without clearing in as required and against the express warning from the Tongan government.

The Tongan government is within its full authority to decide their fate.

Per the first part yes, follow the logical progression, you say "no Im not giving your my XYZ" they will use violence to take it, gov can not exist without a monopoly, or near monopoly on violence.

1 Minerva Reef IS NOT Tonga territory (see the links I posted)
2 Tonga said the boats could use it as a safe harbor (per my quote)
3 Tonga said they boat could stay as long as their patrol boat was there (see other quote)

4 It would be VERY interesting to see the tiny Tonga navy send one of their 3 103' patrol boats to kidnap 5 US citizens who are not even in their legal waters, 5 citizens who also make money by telling their story complete with high def video, a story LOTS of people watch.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

The issue is why risk it? Imagine if Tonga confiscates the boat and sends them home? That's well within Tonga's rights and would set a good example to other rule breakers. No one is going to argue that Corona is a killer so why even chance it being brought into your country? We have only one case here in Queensland and I would fully support our goverment flying these guys home if they turned up in one of our ports.
I am sure Trump will step in and give these guys a character reference!
Cheers

Leaving New Zealand is just dumb. There are so many cruisers out here that would love to be able to go to New Zealand or Oz, but they cant.
They were in a great first world country when this thing went down, they obviously dont appreciate the safety, health care system and first world benefits NZ provides.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Leaving New Zealand is just dumb. There are so many cruisers out here that would love to be able to go to New Zealand or Oz, but they cant.
They were in a great first world country when this thing went down, they obviously dont appreciate the safety, health care system and first world benefits NZ provides.

The threat of arrest for leaving a house is not a big selling point, Id get the heck out of there too

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

Ashamed of having half the in hospital death rate of the UK per capita?

Yup. One word.....OBESITY.......

Data from the Health Survey for England (HSE) conducted in 2018 indicated that 31% of adults in the United Kingdom were recognised as clinically obese with a Body Mass Index (BMI) greater than 30.[2] 63% of adults were classified as overweight or obese (a body mass index of 25 or above), compared to 53% in 1993.[2] More than two-thirds of men and 6 in 10 women were overweight or obese.[2] 15% of children aged between 2 and 15 years (inclusive) were obese and an additional 13% of children were overweight.[2]

As to Zatara? Already been beat to death. Was a false alarm the last time they reportedly sailed away from NZ.

[OloteleMtn]

“The vessel may stay only while the patrol boat is there, and when the patrol boat leaves, they must leave,” he said."
Sounds like their "fate" is decided......golly you must be fun to hang out with.