Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by weavis

If this goes down the route of a global warming thread........ I will pull the plug so fast..

Just because someone asks a question, it is not mandatory to ANSWER it if it contributes to thread disposal.

jes sayin'

ok dad
We will play nice

[weavis]

Originally Posted by newhaul

ok dad
We will play nice

good call son..........

[Arthurwg]

It's great to have a fantasy life and dream the impossible. But this stuff reminds me of all the folks who say they will need their assault weapons and stockpiled ammo when the time comes to fight the government. Guess what, they won't succeed, but I guess they are keeping hope alive.

In the mean time, get a DVD of the 1959 movie "On the Beach," or read the novel by Nevil Shute. It's an end-of-the-world scenario where a U.S. submarine finds its way to Australia where the last of mankind, after an atomic war, waits for the end.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Quite right Mike. I would only add that MMGW is ONE of the major problems we face. Others include fossil water depletion, fossil fuel depletion, soil depletion. Of course these all lead to increase social instability through famine, mass migration, resource conflicts, etc. it all feeds upon one another with each one adding it’s share.

Agreed. The thing about most SHTF scenarios they will mostly be social/societal impacts. These are all inter-connected, so one bad thing leads to, or enhances, another. Resource stresses lead to mass migration leads to financial stresses leads to further resource stresses. A major environmental or conflict event leads to overstretched infrastructure, financial crisis, mass migration and further resource stresses.

To me, it all comes back to being part of a functional community that is able to be largely self-sufficient. I think my boat is a short to medium term refuge, but if we really are heading back to the dark ages, I’d get as far away as possible from any large urban area.

[Mexican Hat]

I posted the link to the Pentagon report because it outlines exactly what many here have been sayin about the need for planning, not because it was a MMCC thread. It gives some solid reasons for anticipating a breakdown of the structure and function of our society. If the army is concerned about their capacity to cope with sudden social fractures given the fragility of our grid, infrastructure and so on, I take a report from a body like that with a measure of seriousness. And they posit a relatively sudden and dramatic range of outcomes, not something you will have decades to think about and respond to.
Whatever your fears about the impending arrival of different political systems, the zombie apocalypse or any other scenarios, the army sees this as a real, potentially catastrophic and major threat. Most of the US lives one step away from disaster as things are now...

As to where you go, well, as others have said, wherever it is you ain't gonna be welcomed by the locals.

[WTRacer]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Ok guys I suppose its time to post this Pdf link again ( first time in this thread)
it will download a book titled sailing the farm. Its about basically living full time ( for the most part) offshore on a 30ft ( or so ) sailboat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...SbNqBjfN8yQzAa

mike you knew it was coming.

I've not seen this before so even if it might be regular (ish) post it has been worthwhile you linking it. Only half way through so far but it's fabulous and fascinating. Thanks.

[Ghostrider421]

Originally Posted by newhaul

there is one little problem with your statements here .

The United. States is a net exporter of petroleum products.

That's only since shale oil has made a comeback. The technology has improved since it was first done in the 70s. Your President Trump just said the other day they were securing the Syrian oilfields for themselves - basically saying Isis has used the oil as currency to fund its activities.


The goal of socialism is communism, and why you will see every government create their own digital currencies, outlawing ANY crypto that can allow someone to evade taxes.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider421

The goal of socialism is communism, and why you will see every government create their own digital currencies, outlawing ANY crypto that can allow someone to evade taxes.

In the event that the SHTF lair contains none versed in political theory consider bringing with a copy of Jordan Ellenberg's book. Linear thinking only gets one so far. Otherwise makes for excellent reading/review on risk analysis.

[Mike OReilly]

The whole socialism boogeyman is such a joke. ALL functioning societies, including the USA, exhibit various levels of socialist behaviour. Socialism is simply a collective response to a societal issue. Pure Marxist theory has as much to do with reality as pure Capitalist theory.

[qwert]

[QUOTE=Arthurwg

In the mean time, get a DVD of the 1959 movie "On the Beach," or read the novel by Nevil Shute. It's an end-of-the-world scenario where a U.S. submarine finds its way to Australia where the last of mankind, after an atomic war, waits for the end.[/QUOTE]


Just make sure you get the 1959 classic, not the recent rehash.

[Ghostrider421]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

The whole socialism boogeyman is such a joke. ALL functioning societies, including the USA, exhibit various levels of socialist behaviour. Socialism is simply a collective response to a societal issue. Pure Marxist theory has as much to do with reality as pure Capitalist theory.

It is ALL the state or Leviathan as Thomas Hobbes wrote. It is those dependent on tax $ to pay their salaries and pensions. Just as the Legions sacked Rome when their pensions weren't paid. The state always decides what is just, and what rights you have. The first thing to collapse is the rule of law. The form of government makes no difference; they all collapse, The Leviathan is the bureaucracy. The will of the people is longer respected anywhere.........

[hpeer]

To be a bit more direct, look at your township and county road system. Socialism.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

The whole socialism boogeyman is such a joke. ALL functioning societies, including the USA, exhibit various levels of socialist behaviour. Socialism is simply a collective response to a societal issue. Pure Marxist theory has as much to do with reality as pure Capitalist theory.

Various levels of socialist behaviour in a capitalist society is very different from adopting socialism as a whole. Capitalism is what provides the luxury of socialist behaviour.

I would argue that many quasi western socialist societies are significantly more capitalist than they acknowledge.

The lines are getting very blurry.

[hpeer]

Very blurry indeed, I would argue there are no lines but a continuum. Use the tool that is right for the job, don’t get hung up on labels.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Various levels of socialist behaviour in a capitalist society is very different from adopting socialism as a whole. Capitalism is what provides the luxury of socialist behaviour.

I would argue that many quasi western socialist societies are significantly more capitalist than they acknowledge.

The lines are getting very blurry.

Exactly — blurry. Just like no functioning society has ever adopted pure capitalism as a whole.

It’s a silly argument to make say “we don’t want socialism here!” Just like it’s equally silly to demand no capitalism (ask China how this latter is going). Functioning societies employ a mixture of approaches. And doing so does not condemn a society from sliding further into totalitarianism, be it on the socialist spectrum (communism) or the capitalism spectrum (fascism).