Trouble with paying crew?

[Uri Zur]

Both insurance and registration should be notified and changed for paid trips.
it is possible to have an excel sheet of all expenses and later divide it by days of sailing and number of people on vessel as lung it is agreed by all crew members.

[Leigh62]

If I am paying You, I am NOT your crew! Not only would you have the legal charter people to deal with, but your "so called crew" as well.

[john61ct]

It's done all the time, thousands of people pay to yes crew.

Just because you think it's a bad idea for whatever reason, or would not want to be either party, doesn't mean it is "wrong", just like sex or any other transaction between consenting adults where neither are getting damaged.

Of course financial and legal issues get factored in, and providing that information is helpful, but just silly to think everyone's going to come to the same decision, to each their own.

[rhonda1960]

Boat!!!!! He is talking about a boat, you must have skipped that part.

[T-Birder]

#49
LOL


are ya sure ya wanna use the sex / consenting adults / no damages analogy theme here ... really ...

[T-Birder]

Well fill your boots ... why not ...

[john61ct]

Yes, I do think the analogy holds.

There may sometimes be good reason for attempts at outside enforcement of restrictions on such behaviour.

But let's not make a moral issue out of it.

[asiapt]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Can you give us an example?

Yes that's a very interesting point, do you have an example of anyone that you have heard it happen to?

[T-Birder]

... personally, I think we're in dangerous waters if we venture down that companion way ...

[Pelagic]

There are Pigeons and there are those who like to Pigeon Hole .

Then there are the rest of us, that just move in and out with the Tide, not concerned with what's acceptable and correct, but with what just feels right!
....at the moment.

[clownfishsydney]

In Australia you can safely ask for fuel, food, marinas, national park fees or similar, but asking for a set fee per day (including or excluding food/fuel) would be illegal. If you ask for more than your actual outgoings for the period concerned, then you are acting as a charter boat and need to be registered as one.

Friends who come with us contribute equally to food and fuel costs and, where required, marina costs. Some also buy us a meal at the end of the trip, but I do not expect this.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Yes, I do think the analogy holds.

There may sometimes be good reason for attempts at outside enforcement of restrictions on such behaviour.

But let's not make a moral issue out of it.

Had a cop friend who used to work vice. The flaw is that sex for money is rarely actually between adults operating entirely under their own free will.

[john61ct]

Yes, and coercing someone to crew for you or others should be, very harshly penalized.

The issue of money exchanging hands remains irrelevant to the moral questions, the defining component there is the coercion.

[jmschmidt]

A bona-fide expense sharing arrangement with friends or acquaintances, even if the purpose is basically a delivery trip, does not expose a boat owner/operator to any additional liability that is not already present with any other operation of a recreational vessel.

Typically the owner would pay all expenses and the crew would chip in their individual shares prorate.

If crew are directly or indirectly (i.e. off the books) compensated by and owner/operator liability issues may be complicated and extensive. Unpaid wages of crew, along with unpaid expenses of any kind, constitution a maritime lien on a vessel. Disputes of this nature are resolved by federal, not state, courts.

A US licensed delivery captain may quote a fixed price or a variable price based on time, mileage and expenses, to deliver a recreational vessel. A delivery captain may compensate paid crew members under his/her employment for their time and expenses.

Certain US law may only apply to operations within the territorial waters of the United States but on the high seas they could apply to any US documented vessels or US licensed personal.

Many foreign countries have similar laws.

[T-Birder]

So to the OP ... to sum up, if you wish to charge/share expenses to your "friends" for "trips" you can likely get away with it as long as your "friends" are in the "down low, don't know" but if you ever have to turn your epurp on, you'll likely be in a world of ****.