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Stu Jackson · 26-08-2013, 20:22

That trickle theory is just so down & out.

**sailorchic34** · 26-08-2013, 20:41

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Originally Posted by pbiJim

While this is true of many people in many parts of this country today, I think that it is especially amplified in your area. I've been through the tenderloin district. I've seen what down & out means in that town. I've also seen the prices on food, housing & other essentials in that area. They are all well above normal. That town is a particularly cold place to be if you lack healthy resources to back you up.

I avoid SF like the plague. WAY to expensive for this girl.

**sailorchic34** · 26-08-2013, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

Sailor chick do you want to come to Key Largo and help us rewire a 39' Cat? All the lobster you can eat and at least 1 day a week guaranteed fishing and or diving?!! Nice Ac and a good marina? Ill get the wife to cook breakfast too lol.

I actually need to take care of a few projects here first. Have to help one lady rewire her boat and draw schematics of another boat, apply roof seal to a motorhome too. I is a chick of all trades.

Got a billion dollar building to design, I can do that too.

pbiJim · 26-08-2013, 20:50

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Originally Posted by sailorchic34

I avoid SF like the plague. WAY to expensive for this girl.

Way too expensive for me, the middle class & other mere mortals too. That place is out of hand in a number of ways.

dohenyboy · 26-08-2013, 21:04

As Maggie Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Jobs go overseas because of excess regulation more than anything else. Regulation which in my experience is often ineffectual and not well thought out.
When you tax something, you discourage its existence. If you keep hiking taxes on those who create jobs, then do not be surprised if the job creators pack up and leave.
I used to employ over 10 people, until government regulations imposed on my small business resulted in my spending 90% of my time in compliance. The new rules did nothing to protect anyone. After 18 years, no longer worth it to keep the business open. Now I work offshore. California and the IRS ( thanks to the tax code) get exactly $0 from me.

**sailorchic34** · 26-08-2013, 21:15

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Originally Posted by dohenyboy

As Maggie Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Jobs go overseas because of excess regulation more than anything else. Regulation which in my experience is often ineffectual and not well thought out.
When you tax something, you discourage its existence. If you keep hiking taxes on those who create jobs, then do not be surprised if the job creators pack up and leave.
I used to employ over 10 people, until government regulations imposed on my small business resulted in my spending 90% of my time in compliance. The new rules did nothing to protect anyone. After 18 years, no longer worth it to keep the business open. Now I work offshore. California and the IRS ( thanks to the tax code) get exactly $0 from me.

There is no question that excessive regulation and tax has driven many companies overseas. I agree that the government must be smaller. Just don't hang the poor out to dry while spending truly mind blowing funds on systems that don't actually work. Me I would like to see a 50% reduction in government spending across the board. Painful all around but it needs to happen. Not going to happen as its not in corporate interest that actually get the lion share of the government dollar. Always thought QE was a a fine way to debase the currency. Another fine mess.

Well we've taken this discussion way off track. again. Ya'll be good now, hear.

pbiJim · 26-08-2013, 21:20

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Originally Posted by sailorchic34

I would like to see a 50% reduction in government spending across the board.

That would be a very good start. Reallocating bureaucrats to productive jobs would be the next logical step from there.

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Originally Posted by sailorchic34

Always thought QE was a a fine way to debase the currency. Another fine mess.

QE & TARP combined, were actually the all time largest theft in the history of the world, if I am not mistaken. & yet, who gets called to task for these terrible things? Nobody.

bobconnie · 26-08-2013, 22:26

Ahh, Some folks think that fed programs really help! You know like Fema !! You know what a great job they did after Katrina !! Fedral folks just swarmed down the bayou to help folks out that had no flood Ins!! Isn't that Great ? Sorta!! it sure helped the local car dealers, cus after the fema folks left there were all kinds of brand new cars showing up down the bayou !! Now of course the folks who HAD flood Ins waited at least 6 mos before they got even a dollar !! Seems like maybe they should really look at there programs, to see if they are really helping or hurting folks! But thats not gonna happen! They will keep throwing money down the same old holes they always have !! and hire more folks to help them throw it !! Thats the Gov way !!

foggysail · 27-08-2013, 13:57

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Originally Posted by bobconnie

Ahh, Some folks think that fed programs really help! You know like Fema !! You know what a great job they did after Katrina !! Fedral folks just swarmed down the bayou to help folks out that had no flood Ins!! Isn't that Great ? Sorta!! it sure helped the local car dealers, cus after the fema folks left there were all kinds of brand new cars showing up down the bayou !! Now of course the folks who HAD flood Ins waited at least 6 mos before they got even a dollar !! Seems like maybe they should really look at there programs, to see if they are really helping or hurting folks! But thats not gonna happen! They will keep throwing money down the same old holes they always have !! and hire more folks to help them throw it !! Thats the Gov way !!

There are no free lunches

rognvald · 27-08-2013, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

In no particular order:
- trickle-down is a plutocrat bedtime story. The last round of rising economic tides lifted only the richest boats, and many smaller boats were left high and dry, where they remain. While the rich float higher, and higher...
- where were you when the financial sector was deregulated, leading to the meltdown which necessitated the bailouts and stimulus? How about the $1T spent on poorly-conceived invasions and over-long foreign occupations?
- as Obama said during the last campaign - everyone stands on someone elses' shoulders. If America is your home and gave you the opportunity to be wealthy, and you succeeded, pay your damn taxes and smile. Particularly if you got wealthy by essentially robbing fellow Americans of jobs or retirement savings.

It is difficult to argue Economics with those who have not studied American History or have the least understanding of how a capitalist Democracy works. I am certain, by your naive comments, that you have not received a quality education but certainly are well versed in 60 years of Socialist, Evil Capitalist, Big government knows best brainwashing. And to think that hard work, intelligence, and resourceful management of money in a free economic system means that you should "pay your damn taxes and smile" is what is wrong with the growing population of uneducated and undereducated citizens of our country. As the population of contributors(Makers) decreases and those who are capable of working but choose to live off the government dole and those who represent generations of welfare individual/families(Takers) increases, the system cannot survive. And, the pathetic political cliche that "everyone stands on someone else's shoulders" is not a description of Capitalism, but rather describes the failed, Big Brother, government knows best mentality that is sinking our country in debt and threatening our very survival. Power to the People! Right on Brother! Off the Pigs! Burn Baby Burn! Boy, what a sad comment on the education of America.

sailorboy1 · 27-08-2013, 15:33

I'm getting all depressed, wonder what is going on at the park in Monroe Co.?

**sailorchic34** · 27-08-2013, 16:20

Just for you Don. :-)

Key Largo liveaboards beg to keep access - KeysNet.com

Reluctant to evict the solid citizens of the Tarpon Basin liveaboard community because of a few scofflaws, Monroe County commissioners decided Wednesday to seek more law enforcement.

It was a problem that cropped up literally in the commission's own back yard, the bayfront park behind the Murray E. Nelson Government and Cultural Center at mile marker 102.5.

"We've had people showering naked next to the dumpster. People bathing in the fountain, naked," county Building Official Jerry Smith told the commission. "We deal with this on a daily basis."

Commissioner Sylvia Murphy said the small park once attracted sunset-watchers and children's parties. Efforts were made to accommodate a number of well-behaved boaters who started using a small dock at the site to tie their dinghies.

"We were very good to the people who live on the hook out there," Murphy said. "For two and a half years, it was wonderful. Then all of a sudden, a different quality began to take place."

Now the park has been overrun by a small group of sketchy characters who create anxiety among visitors and county staff, she contended.

"We provided a heck of a lot and a heck of a good deal. In return, we get mouth and curse words," Murphy said. "People come to watch the sunset and because of the language, they go away with a sour taste in their mouth and don't come back."

Several boaters who rely on the government-center property for shore access appealed for the county to oust the "bad apples" before banning everybody from the dock.

"The undesirables showed up when you closed other areas" used for liveaboard landing spots, said James Chapman. "You pushed them to us."

He added, "They're mostly gone now because they were arrested or their boats sunk."

Murphy agreed the boaters who attended the Wednesday session "are the good ones. You're not the problem, and you can't solve it," she said. "I don't know what else we can do, except close off the dock to dinghies."

"If you choose to close this off, you're saying Key Largo is a town and island that is inaccessible by the water," said liveaboard Chadwick Acevedo, married and employed. "What kind of island has no water access for the public?"

The boaters describe themselves as working locally for modest wages or retirees living a fixed income. Local marinas are too expensive, they said.

County Mayor George Neugent, a former liveaboard, said the proposed ordinance to curtail use of the park "gives me heartburn."

"Everything you cited, I feel can be addressed with rules, regulations and a mooring field," Neugent said. "We live in a boating-friendly community.... I'm not sure how we keep people from using a public facility."

The government center, opened in 2009, "was designed for people coming here to do business with the county," Commissioner Danny Kolhage said. "Not people coming in from a mooring field."

Commissioner David Rice and Neugent said the situation reminds them of Boot Key Harbor in Marathon before a regulated mooring field was established. But there is no money in the county budget to create and staff a new mooring field in Tarpon Basin, Murphy and Kolhage said.

"Maybe we need to accelerate some plans for that kind of facility," Rice said. "I'm not sure [the Nelson center] is proper place to do that.... I see long-term solutions; I don't see a short-term solution."

Neugent said he would speak with the Monroe County Sheriff's Office about an increased law-enforcement presence at the government center, which has a small work area for deputies.

No vote was taken on the dock closing.

Lake-Effect · 27-08-2013, 16:35

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Originally Posted by rognvald

It is difficult to argue Economics with those who have not studied American History or have the least understanding of how a capitalist Democracy works. I am certain, by your naive comments, that you have not received a quality education but certainly are well versed in 60 years of Socialist, Evil Capitalist, Big government knows best brainwashing. ...

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Sorry - if I knew you were um challenged and/or an Ayn Rand groupie I would not have engaged you. My apologies, and don't skip the meds.