Keel/Bilge area crack/Stern impact?

[Bill O]

Originally Posted by Sailorbouy2312

here's a photo of another 445 rudder stock for comparison

Thanks for the photo of what it was supposed to look like. Are they giving this boat away/a major price adjustment to do the repairs?

[Sailorbouy2312]

No...not a giveaway.....asking for just a little under market price

[ErnestV]

Probably because it almost went a little under the surface?

I mean, looking at this rudderstock "reinforcement" this must have a reason, and I doubt its a benign one.

[Sailorbouy2312]

any hanse owner care to share their 'picture' ?

[Bill O]

Originally Posted by Sailorbouy2312

No...not a giveaway.....asking for just a little under market price

Look around, I'm certain you will find some other things that are dodgy.

If they didn't mention that there was a rudder impact/grounding/repair or other issues, would keep looking elsewhere.

[Sailorbouy2312]

It looks to me, the upper bearing mount has been reinforced from below to either strengthen, for some reason, or seal from water ingress.

There was a steering issue and long transit to a repair yard, so there may have been undue stress on the rudder.

[sailores35]

If it is not a giveaway, I would runaway and might even it is a giveaway. These are often the kind of boats that wind up killing the dream of sailing and cruising.

[Sailorbouy2312]

Both owners say no work done in that area, so the picture has gone off to Hanse with the hull number for comment..

I await the reply.

[Capdave360]

https://www.myhanse.com/rudder-probl...opic10072.html

https://www.myhanse.com/rudder-post-...topic9149.html

https://www.myhanse.com/hanse-rudder...topic4346.html


I found this with one Google search - rudder issues with Hanse boats.

I've forgotten what your search criteria are for your next boat - but I'm sorry to say I consider Hanse to be a slightly fancy Beneteau, and not in a good way. These "mass production" boats driven by the bareboat market and built to maximize length & interior/price are not being built for durability or longevity. You might be better off with a smaller high quality boat than a bigger "disposable" boat.

I know this is pretty harsh, and likely I'll get flamed - but it's important to consider the builder's intent at these yards - they're aiming for boats to survive 10 years I think, and that's it.

[Sailorbouy2312]

So, I had the reply from Hanse:

The paste is a bonding paste like Spabond or 1152 paste which is an epoxy and is a strong, hard setting material.

We don’t have any mounting instructions for the rudder bearing on the 445 but we do for the larger boats which are often transported without the keel or rudder mounted.

They show that this bonding paste is applied to the bearing upon installation. It may well be that the person fitting this bearing went beyond the instruction and added additional paste to the underside. If the instruction is taken literally then the bearing needs to be covered ‘all around’ to transfer the loads to the deck.

[Sailorbouy2312]

so.......

waiting for the survey report, but the sea trial never really commenced as the steering failed on the way out of the anchorage....also the bow thruster failed...
crept back to the jetty and boat waiting to be hauled for investigation...

[DeValency]

Originally Posted by Sailorbouy2312

so.......

waiting for the survey report, but the sea trial never really commenced as the steering failed on the way out of the anchorage....also the bow thruster failed...
crept back to the jetty and boat waiting to be hauled for investigation...

And you still want this boat? Not sure what do you mean by steering failure but here you have already a red flag.

Poorly maintained boats show first one or two basic seaworthy or technical problems. Later on you start finding out all kind of other issues - some may be unknown to inexperienced owners.

[Bill O]

Originally Posted by DeValency

And you still want this boat? Not sure what do you mean by steering failure but here you have already a red flag.

Poorly maintained boats show first one or two basic seaworthy or technical problems. Later on you start finding out all kind of other issues - some may be unknown to inexperienced owners.

Would agree. It's a pain to keep looking, but doesn't look great so far. Good thing is you are gaining experience!

Maybe look for boats that are better built/maintained. They maybe older than you are currently looking at, but more solid construction during the initial build.

[sailores35]

Originally Posted by Sailorbouy2312

so.......

waiting for the survey report, but the sea trial never really commenced as the steering failed on the way out of the anchorage....also the bow thruster failed...
crept back to the jetty and boat waiting to be hauled for investigation...

Too many good used boats out there, walkway.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

the Beneteau has a cast " steel" keel, not lead, which will likely explain the rust weeping...not a good sign to see

No, it has a cast iron keel, not steel. Rust is normal on those keels where coatings have been breached and are of little consequence at least for the next 100yrs or so.