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Old 26-07-2019, 19:56   #61
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^^^ This. Especially for tropical cruising.

There are lot's of threads here about cruising on a budget, and how to keep ongoing costs down, but sometimes the big picture concept is not always thought through.

Wharrams don't need to be crap. Get a nice one (but still save money on the boat compared to a normal cat) and:

- Use the money saved to add a substantial LiPo battery bank.

- Install a big hard roof with a lot of solar panel capacity across the open main deck area, which is very large because of the no bridge deck design.

- Fit drop down plastic curtains for wet days and a (hard?) dodger forward for spray protection but otherwise leave open for ventilation in the tropics.

- Even on the Tiki 38 this would create enough space for a sailing cockpit, a large table (who wants to eat below in the tropics) and a sunpad and socialising area. Because of the more open design the deck space can be reconfigured for different scenarios and the hard roof gives you the necessary shelter from both rain and sun.

- See what's possible with LiPo and a lot of solar here (even if it's on a more limited scale than this boat): http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ey-201795.html

- Save money every single day using no (or very little) fuel or even propane gas for charging batteries or cooking (use simple inductions hobs)

- With this power capability install a washing machine of some description (and a water maker of course, that is a given). This might sound like heresy for some, but laundry ashore is expensive and inconvenient so it will soon pay for itself and really add to self sufficiency when living aboard (eg: I'm surprised that La Vagabond, with a million dollar cat, good income stream, battery and solar capacity, and a new baby, doesn't think a washing machine is beneficial?)

- Add the simple Wharram wind vane self steering. Cheap, easy to repair, no special parts, you fit 2 (one on each hull) so you always have a back up, and they use no electricity. See here: (and here La Vagabond who have been without their autopilot for quite some time and will now need to fly a specialist B&G technician down to the Bahamas to fix it, and were concerned for there sailing safety as single handed sailing without the autopilot is difficult: https://youtu.be/kWt64cmb8EM?t=671 This would easily blow a normal cruising budget for that month, or quarter..)

- Use two properly sized and properly installed outboards in retractable pods and have a honda generator for charging backup.

- This gives twin engines for maneuvering, a backup in case of a breakdown, reasonable cost, light weight, retractable for low sailing drag and drying out, and can even be winched off with a halyard and taken ashore for repairs if necessary, and a replacement (even a temporary ill fitting one) can be more easily dropped in place too.

- On a Wharram portable fuel tanks are normally located amidships on deck in vented lockers, and petrol outboard fuel is available anywhere in the world. This means only one fuel to carry and topping up can be done by just taking a normal outboard fuel tank or a jerry can ashore in the dinghy.

- The simple rig lends itself well to DIY dyneema, etc rigging solutions. Easy repair and maintenance and saves money as no need to pay a rigger.

- Many other parts of a w]Wharram also use simple line or block and tackle solutions. It couldn't be easier to fix, replace, or jury rig as necessary.

- As @boatman61 mentioned, dry out for underwater maintenance. And there are (or can be) less of these in the first place because of the rudder system, because no sail drives or shafts, because no centre boards, etc, etc. Combine that with a simplified and minimised through hull system and a lot of maintenance can be reduced.

If a haul out is necessary, no special travel lift or boatyard is required. A crane can easily be used, or a tractor, truck, etc to drag the boat up a simple ramp or shoreline.

I like all these positives for a Wharram or similar simple cat to sustain the cruising life over a longer period.

Some initial wise capital investments and planning need to be made of course, but these concepts can really reduce cruising costs, simplify life onboard, and get sailors out there cruising.

Let's not complicate it again by changing the whole design ethos of a Wharram cat.

My 2 cents
Thank you for your comments Just looking at buying a narari42mk4 and spending the next few years rebuilding it.... You have given me some more confidence to get me over the anxiety of buying a boat
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Re: Wharram Thoughts

Another one for you Owly.

Looking quickly this boat actually seems to be quite nicely built and finished and at 42K Euros VAT paid seems to be quite good value too

"Modified Wharram Pahi 42 with cabin" (full bridgedeck and fixed beams/hulls)

http://garuda-sale.de/

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...all my 2 cents worth of Wharram-knowledge of our 7 year rtw in the 80ies on one here:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...a-61696-4.html
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Old 30-08-2019, 00:51   #64
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Two Wharrams anchored out front today: A Pahi 31 which has been cruising through here annually for many years. A very well-kept minimal cruiser. About 10 years ago I saw this boat beam reaching across a shallowish flat piece of water in about 25 knots of wind rocketing along like a racing beach cat.

The other is a pair of Narai hulls with a 2-level house on top, rigid beam/bridgedeck connection, well down on the waterline. Looks like it has maybe 450mm bridgedeck clearance.

Two sides of the world of Wharrams…...
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Two sides of the world of Wharrams…...

Yeah I posted a video earlier (on Page 3) of a well built and well sailed French Tiki 38 sailing comfortably at mid teen boat speeds and this nicely indicates that the hulls themselves are not slow, even if the sail area does need some more horsepower.

But I accept that this might still be too much for some people so I often mention ok, in the same conditions (off Corsica but similar to trade wind sailing) throttle back and do 10kn instead and let the windvane steer too.

As you said, there really are two (or more) sides of Wharrams, both between and the older designs and the newer Tiki and Pahi models, as well between how they are setup and sailed.

The budget aspect certainly works against a lot of Wharrams, as many are built poorly, equipped poorly, and sailed poorly, mostly by non sailors in fact.

But like most boats, put some good sails on, and actually sail the boat properly and correctly, and all of a sudden you get quite different results.

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Two Wharrams anchored out front today: A Pahi 31 which has been cruising through here annually for many years. A very well-kept minimal cruiser. About 10 years ago I saw this boat beam reaching across a shallowish flat piece of water in about 25 knots of wind rocketing along like a racing beach cat.

The other is a pair of Narai hulls with a 2-level house on top, rigid beam/bridgedeck connection, well down on the waterline. Looks like it has maybe 450mm bridgedeck clearance.

Two sides of the world of Wharrams…...

The latter sounds like a bit of an abortion...........
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Old 30-08-2019, 07:10   #67
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They did a beautiful job on it........... BUT..... they killed bridge deck clearance in pursuit of standing headroom........ that could be a significant liability....... pounding.



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Another one for you Owly.

Looking quickly this boat actually seems to be quite nicely built and finished and at 42K Euros VAT paid seems to be quite good value too

"Modified Wharram Pahi 42 with cabin" (full bridgedeck and fixed beams/hulls)

http://garuda-sale.de/

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The latter sounds like a bit of an abortion...........
It certainly is, and someone spent a lot of money and time to make it so.

Got a look from aft yesterday. The bigger Wharram classics (Narai, Tehini etc.) have about the same freeboard aft as fwd.
This boat is well down by the stern, and the overall waterline is a lot higher than designed. There is a big central engine nacelle, the bottom of which is permanently in the water.
The aft bridgedeck clearance is a lot less than the front, I'd say about 350mm?
I would not go across the bay in it, let alone out there.

There was a slight chop in the anchorage today, and they were gone by 11am. The slapping noise in that thing, even at anchor, must be horrendous.
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Another one for you Owly.

Wharram Oro Hybrid Catamaran. Professionally Modified by Wharram Catamaran Builder Steve Turner.
Launched April 2019. Full bridgedeck modification, 12 meters long, 6.8 meters beam

https://wharrambuilders.ning.com/for...msg_forum_disc

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That one is way too ugly.
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Totally agree , horrible
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It's not for me either, but it might be useful to Owly since is he specifically researching bridge deck designs
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My father taught me to never insult a man’s wife or his boat. Especially his boat.
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