Responsibility of the industry

[Mike OReilly]

I have never even heard of "Yacht Week, BucketLust and Yachtpack”, and I have never experienced what you describe Nils, but I would be very annoyed to have such a boat land in my anchorage.

I’ve got no issue with anyone having their own fun. And I’m all for drunken revelry. But If you force me to listen to your blasting music, or other loud goings on, then I now have the right to say “keep it down!”

If these companies are complicit in facilitating obnoxious behaviour to the point that it is pissing off the locals or other visitors, then yes, I do think it’s legit to go to them, or after them.

It comes down to basic respect for others. I agree, there does seem to be a growth in the numbers of people who don’t seem to give a damn about their impact on others. And it’s not just the youngin’s, and maybe not even primarily young people.

[Sailorman Ed]

Me to, if someone could see their way to loaning me some viagra

Tried Viagra, gave me a terrible headache, Cilias works better and lasts 3 days.

[AKA-None]

I think the basic problem being described is the fact that some tourists feel they can do anything they want since they don’t live there. It’s getting worse as more people can afford to go places.

[Phil Mavis]

Originally Posted by nightowle

I believe the societal norms you are addressing are endemic everywhere in terms of "Tourist louts." They're not just aboard boats, but as stated, a problem experienced in Ireland and elsewhere off yachts as well. So how does one effect change across the board? I can't really say. But as I get older, I do realize that my generation is perhaps just trying to impose a conformity that we bought into much similar to the criticisms I had of my parent's generation. Maybe it's for the youngish 'tourist louts' to figure this all out.

EXCELLENT POST!!! Seems like the world has changed and perhaps not going back. The generations coming up behind me has much different views than I have. I've chosen boat life as a way to get away from it. However, as you see in another post in this thread, it's almost impossible to avoid it completely.

At least on a boat, you can move.

[Steve_C]

Originally Posted by Phil Mavis

EXCELLENT POST!!! Seems like the world has changed and perhaps not going back. The generations coming up behind me has much different views than I have. I've chosen boat life as a way to get away from it. However, as you see in another post in this thread, it's almost impossible to avoid it completely.

At least on a boat, you can move.

What's an "Indurty"?

[tarian]

Sorry to say but this is coming from a privileged middle aged white man who has a moral conciousness to do what is right in their minds , have you though about the impact on said locals if the party boats and companies were to pull out , the cleaning jobs the line handlers the captains and crew the local markets etc etc.
Although these charters are in some of the most beautiful places in the world , these places are also some of the poorest, so lets not take away with one hand with nothing to offer in return.
People go on holiday to have fun let them have fun , if your liberal values cannot handle this, pick up you anchor and move on , remember the vast majority of those cruising do so in another country , you do not make the rules nor do you have the rights to ask people to move , be quite or turn the music down , you can ask but I expect you'll get a very good drunken response.
As we get older we become less tolerant to the younger generation what we call snowflakes, no wars to fight, no general strikes, no bombings every weekend
and the threat of a lovely nuclear bomb in the back yard , Hey what do they know about living , well I tell you what I wish I was a snowflake I would have saved a fortune in therapy.
leave people alone it will sort its self out as the world always does.

[jmschmidt]

The Moorings International Airline Regatta in the BVI is a good place to start. I'm heading there in a couple of weeks, but only for the racing you understand.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Sailorman Ed

Tried Viagra, gave me a terrible headache, Cilias works better and lasts 3 days.

OK, that's solved that problem now what do you suggest to keep my heart going for the requisite three days? And, do you have a lat, long and schedule for the alleged bacchanalia?

[Phil Mavis]

Had 35 BUCKET LUST catamarans take over Green Turtle Cay in the Bahamas last year as well. The experience was horrible to everyone except the Bucket Lust morons.

If you ever see them coming and you don't wish to participate, my advice is high tail it out of there. BTW - from how I saw them treating these cats in the 4 days, I would NEVER EVER consider buying a charter boat period.

I guess this is the way of the world now...I'll get whatever I can for ME without any regard for anyone else except MYSELF. I'm afraid it's the way of the world now.

Thankfully, the number of idiots is much less on the water than on land still so I know where I'll be.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Phil Mavis

Had 35 BUCKET LUST catamarans take over Green Turtle Cay in the Bahamas last year as well. The experience was horrible to everyone except the Bucket Lust morons.

If you ever see them coming and you don't wish to participate, my advice is high tail it out of there. BTW - from how I saw them treating these cats in the 4 days, I would NEVER EVER consider buying a charter boat period.

I guess this is the way of the world now...I'll get whatever I can for ME without any regard for anyone else except MYSELF. I'm afraid it's the way of the world now.

Thankfully, the number of idiots is much less on the water than on land still so I know where I'll be.

See… I don’t get this at all. How far up your own @sshole do you have to be to not give a fart about anyone else . Seriously … who are these people???

[Lake-Effect]

As an avid sailor, I've always aspired to the romantic image of chartering somewhere beautiful and spending 7 to 14 days and nights in tropical heaven. But the more I read about chartering and getting quotes... the more I get reluctant about the twin demons of cost and of being in the yachting equivalent of Disneyland, with crowded anchorages and credit-card captains (and the fear that I might be seen as one). And the ever-present reality of being seen just as a WWW (wealthy white westerner) who's only tolerated for the money they hope we'll throw around. I honestly don't know if we'll ever charter.

As mentioned, tourism burnout is happening at many popular venues, not just on the water. Barcelona is a very prominent example.

Responsibility of the yachting industry? It's not that big an industry, and often the businesses are struggling from one year to the next. I would say that the yachting industry/community should step up with a better internationally-recognized standard of cruising competency. The rest of the responsibility falls to a partnership of the chartering industry and the local government to ensure that there's a coordinated cruising ground with adequate anchorages or mooring fields, enough services (towing, repairs etc) and discreet policing of the rowdy tourists.


But it's a fact of life that people like to party. Yachting isn't just quiet olds sipping white wine while the sun sets photogenically.

[Phil Mavis]

I guess this is the way of the world now Mike. I'm as confused about it as you are. It's most likely my personality and how I've been raised. Remember when kids were meant to be seen not heard? Or when we were raised to at least consider another person when doing things?

I have always attempted to consider my actions and how they affect others. This isn't the case anymore. We were on a mooring ball last year and had numerous powerboats run their generators all night. Being downwind and right behind one of the boats made for a very uncomfortable night with exhaust and noise coming through our hatches. I started a thread on Facebook in the Bahamas Sailing and Cruising page asking if I was expecting too much for people to at consider others in an anchorage or mooring field on running generators, noise etc. etc. without any regard for anyone else in the area. In a nutshell the responses I had were disheartening as they mostly said "yes I was considering too much and I'll run my generators/party/etc. etc. etc. no matter what the other boaters feel."

Times have changed unfortunately.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Does that mean that you intend to return it after use??? Eeewww!

Jim

It would be returned in solution, so you got that backwards


Wwweee!

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Phil Mavis

I guess this is the way of the world now Mike. … I have always attempted to consider my actions and how they affect others. This isn't the case anymore.

This is a very sad statement if true. I don’t know what to think about all this. In the world I travel I rarely encounter this kind of inconsiderate ‘don’t give a shyt about anyone else’ attitude. It does happen, but rarely. Maybe that’s b/c I have largely lived and cruised in more remote/less populated areas. I dunno...

Originally Posted by Phil Mavis

...I started a thread on Facebook in the Bahamas Sailing and Cruising page asking if I was expecting too much for people to at consider others in an anchorage or mooring field on running generators, noise etc. etc. without any regard for anyone else in the area. In a nutshell the responses I had were disheartening as they mostly said "yes I was considering too much and I'll run my generators/party/etc. etc. etc. no matter what the other boaters feel."

Times have changed unfortunately.

I really don’t get it. Who are these people who are so disconnected from those around them? How did this become so prevalent (in some areas)?

[Phil Mavis]

I think it's because we stopped spanking kids. Don't get me started.