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Angels of Rio · 17-10-2023, 03:37

Good afternoon,

We sold our 440 Lagoon a few years ago due to a foreign posting and limited vacations. I am now about to retire, and we are looking for another cat. We loved the 440 which we also lived on, but we now have an apartment so do not need to live full time onboard. We are looking at possibly buying a 38 this time. Comments and feedback would be very much appreciated for a boat we plan to do some extensive cruising on in the Med and Caribbean.

Rgds Nige & Marta

Stingo · 17-10-2023, 04:52

My guess is that you'll miss the extra space and the forward seating area of the 440. But saying that, there is nothing wrong with a 380. Hence, it was such a successful model.

Tin Tin · 17-10-2023, 04:53

The Lagoon 380 has the bathtub cockpit and traveller across the rear cockpit rail, have a look at the Leopard 39 or Lipari41 as more ergonomic solutions for downsizing, especially if you are used to 440 cockpit living. They have better bathroom arrangements, better layout for helm and control lines, transom access.

django37 · 17-10-2023, 09:33

My wife and I retired at an age of 69, salied round the world in 6 years in our Lagoon 380. This is a good size for a couple

Franziska · 17-10-2023, 09:46

Might be also worth looking for slightly less popular boats of similar boats.

The 380 are popular even when older, hence prices are reasonably high for older boats of that size.

A lot of budget sensitive cruisers look into them due to the higher built numbers.

**boatman61** · 17-10-2023, 10:30

The L380 owners version is a great boat for a live aboard couple either full or part time..
I've sailed other Lagoons, the 420 and 440 and to be honest for me the L380 is the best performing sailer of the 3.. but if your into the bridgedeck views maybe not.

Angels of Rio · 18-10-2023, 08:25

Appreciate all the feedback guys, the bridge deck and FWD seating is nice on the 440 for sure. We are thinking owner's version like our 440 was and the shower bathroom area looks quite descent. Django, thanks for the round the World reference and yes predominantly for just the two of us yes. One of the reasons to stick with Lagoon is we know them. The 380 being so popular and as Franziska highlights, popular so maybe more cost wise than a less popular cat, but better for service repairs and backup if required.

CaptainRivet · 19-10-2023, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Angels of Rio

Appreciate all the feedback guys, the bridge deck and FWD seating is nice on the 440 for sure. We are thinking owner's version like our 440 was and the shower bathroom area looks quite descent. Django, thanks for the round the World reference and yes predominantly for just the two of us yes. One of the reasons to stick with Lagoon is we know them. The 380 being so popular and as Franziska highlights, popular so maybe more cost wise than a less popular cat, but better for service repairs and backup if required.

Lagoon is balsa core while Lipari 41 is foam core. A major reason for me not to go Lagoon. Spare parts for both are good in med and Caribbean.
As mentioned Lipari is superior in the room concept to 380 and same price range. Leopards are a bit higher priced.

jbinbi · 24-10-2023, 05:47

Had a 2015 lagoon 380 for 5 years. Didn't sail the oceans, just coastal cruised. Came to it from 50 years of sailing monohulls. Got it because wife gets a bit seasick, and doesn't like the heeling etc. of a sailboat.

First off, a GREAT sailing cat. I have sailed on Lagoon 42, 45 and FP Lucia. Sails way better than any of the new lagoons. If you look at the stats, SA/D etc., much better than the others.

However, compared to your 440, expect to do the sailing equivalent of 'glamping'. I had lots of solar, putting a gen in this boat is hard. Was looking at a nextgen 3k. About all you could get, but it could run AC if that is necessary. I didn't have it. Cabin table was hard to get in and around, it is circular. Small fridge, non existant freezer. No cabinets over the counter or sink. Small steep steps. Lots of room to store things, but not so easy to get to things, e.g. I used the cabinets in the master cabin as the pantry. Was just down from the galley, but no cabinets in galley, so have to go up and down. Plenty of space in the cabin, with 2 large lockers and 2 large cabinets.

Master head is great. 2nd shared head, a wet head. No walk off section of the berths, slide down.

Bigger issue to many was cockpit. This is old style, not a big opening single level into the saloon. As someone had said, traveller in back, this got in the way, and not at the helm. Also, getting to the helm was not accessable directly from the cockpit, you had to go up the outside.

Did I mention that it sailed great!

Don't get me wrong, I loved this boat! I am sorry I had to sell it. If I could get another I would, though I think the 400 (not sure if it was 400 or 410) would be the boat to get. But they made 900 of these, a large % not in charter. The FP Lucia is another I would look at. I think it might sail close to as well, it is only 8" longer than the 380, but newer style. I didn't like the helm station of the Lucia as much, the steering wheel is placed oddly for me.

CaptainRivet · 24-10-2023, 07:02

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Originally Posted by jbinbi

Had a 2015 lagoon 380 for 5 years. Didn't sail the oceans, just coastal cruised. Came to it from 50 years of sailing monohulls. Got it because wife gets a bit seasick, and doesn't like the heeling etc. of a sailboat.

First off, a GREAT sailing cat. I have sailed on Lagoon 42, 45 and FP Lucia. Sails way better than any of the new lagoons. If you look at the stats, SA/D etc., much better than the others.

However, compared to your 440, expect to do the sailing equivalent of 'glamping'. I had lots of solar, putting a gen in this boat is hard. Was looking at a nextgen 3k. About all you could get, but it could run AC if that is necessary. I didn't have it. Cabin table was hard to get in and around, it is circular. Small fridge, non existant freezer. No cabinets over the counter or sink. Small steep steps. Lots of room to store things, but not so easy to get to things, e.g. I used the cabinets in the master cabin as the pantry. Was just down from the galley, but no cabinets in galley, so have to go up and down. Plenty of space in the cabin, with 2 large lockers and 2 large cabinets.

Master head is great. 2nd shared head, a wet head. No walk off section of the berths, slide down.

Bigger issue to many was cockpit. This is old style, not a big opening single level into the saloon. As someone had said, traveller in back, this got in the way, and not at the helm. Also, getting to the helm was not accessable directly from the cockpit, you had to go up the outside.

Did I mention that it sailed great!

Don't get me wrong, I loved this boat! I am sorry I had to sell it. If I could get another I would, though I think the 400 (not sure if it was 400 or 410) would be the boat to get. But they made 900 of these, a large % not in charter. The FP Lucia is another I would look at. I think it might sail close to as well, it is only 8" longer than the 380, but newer style. I didn't like the helm station of the Lucia as much, the steering wheel is placed oddly for me.

Good write up. Only Lagoon i would consider buying. Try to get the 380S2 Version, has some improvements in details that are good to have.
38ft has enough space for 2, all you wrote is some inconveniences you can tackle or accept.
Couple going on 34ft monos and are happy, 38ft Lagoon is a 60sqm 3 room appartment. More then sufficent.
Who wants a genny anyhow. Put 2500W solar and you are good. For the rare occasions its not enough a 2000W Honda gasoline gen via shorepower charger solves the issue.
The salon table you can permantely lower to a huge sofa and bed, underneath you can install big drawers and a freezer. Instead the useless navstation install a big cupboard there and you have enough space as pantry together with underneath the big salon bed. Cockpit make an enclosure and thats your nice big table to enjoy food and company.

The 400S2 is well a noGo:
First you have wrottening main bulkhead and bridgedecks, because water peraently collects under the watertanks and there is no drain... the rig is essentially overloaded especially the headsail shroud and its fittings and its slow,sails well like a condo. The headliner in the salon have the permanent tendency to drop on your head...

Wanna make it even worse get the Lagoon 39, sails like two containers with cabin on top plus a stick and bedsheet...

The 40ft FP Lipari is for me the better alternative to the Lagoon 38, hardtop and better salon and cockpit layout plus sails minimum as good as the Lagoon 38.
or the FP40Lucia or going Leopard 38 and 39 are both good cats too.

jbinbi · 24-10-2023, 07:10

Yes, I had the S2. I had 600W solar but Pb batteries, this was 2015. If I had the boat now I would probably have 1000+W of solar and 600Ah of Li. Carried a honda like you said. Putting a freezer under the chart table would be a good idea. I did put an electric cooler under the cockpit seat that abuts the galley sink.

Didn't know about the 400. Thanks. The L39 is probably their worst sailing model, though nicer interior. That and 40 and 42 are probably just fine for sailing in the Carrib, steady 15+kts lets a bathtub sail just fine. 42 has sold more than any Lagoon made, been on them a bit, great interior, needs 15kts to sail well. Is also HUGE compared to the 380 in terms of volume. When docked next to one, there is like 2' freeboard difference!

CaptainRivet · 24-10-2023, 08:15

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Originally Posted by jbinbi

Yes, I had the S2. I had 600W solar but Pb batteries, this was 2015. If I had the boat now I would probably have 1000+W of solar and 600Ah of Li. Carried a honda like you said. Putting a freezer under the chart table would be a good idea. I did put an electric cooler under the cockpit seat that abuts the galley sink.

Didn't know about the 400. Thanks. The L39 is probably their worst sailing model, though nicer interior. That and 40 and 42 are probably just fine for sailing in the Carrib, steady 15+kts lets a bathtub sail just fine. 42 has sold more than any Lagoon made, been on them a bit, great interior, needs 15kts to sail well. Is also HUGE compared to the 380 in terms of volume. When docked next to one, there is like 2' freeboard difference!

Yes if all you care is interior volume and keep it 5years a 42 or even the 450F is your choice...
Nobody that has them care about sailing, its a motorboat with decoration of a big lightening rod with a bedsheet flying that gets used in perfect condition....

From 2010 on all they care is beds and interior volume...they even made a gunboat now with a flybridge...no comment and completely wrong way of development.

If you find a FP Belize or a FP Bahia in good condition you have enough space, a very light cat that sails well, actually nearly on par with most of this so called performance cats in the 44-48ft range for 1.xx Mio Euro. An outremer 45 has 13.8t, a 46ft FP Bahia 9.5t...which one is gonna sail fast in light wind??? Both but there is 1 Mio Euro between them for less space...
Most likely Bahia 46 is regarding bucks for cat one of the best choices, around 250-300k for one in very good condition.
A bahia 46 has 9.5t and tons of space. Yes interior volume of maybe todays 40ft but you have waterlength and therefor speed and comfort.
Have a Lavezzi but completely missed this 2 models Belize and Bahia, Bahia would have been my choice.
Ok not that open one level transdom and sugar scoops but definitely a well protected safe cockpit with enough space.

Be Free Sailor · 17-11-2023, 13:41

I moved from 440 to 380, and have sailed some thousand miles in the 380.
With 1250 w solar and 600 Ah LiFePO4 I had no need for a genset (no aircon!).
No problem on passage, with 3-4 days overcast / low pressure systems, 100% of the time on autopilot + radar etc, Starlink always on.
The 380 is bit cramped for sure, compared to 440, but the joy of sailing the 380 easily outweighs this. The 380 is my favorite, and it is the most affordable and full time liveable offshore cat available, at least in my view.
Yes, a FP Lucia or Leopard 39 is also very nice, but will easily cost 100k more.

team karst · 17-11-2023, 14:39

"putting a gen in this boat is hard". That's debatable. I put a 5.5kW Nexgen in ours. Except for the boatyard crane use, I did it all myself. That fits nicely in the port bridge locker. Dry and secure. While at it, remove the port side water tank and put in 27G diesel tank. Still less weight than a full 300liter water tank.
While still in there, put in a 37 gph Rainman. And yes, there is still room for oil, filters, and work room. The sound shield is two piece, and only the 1/3 section needs to come off for impellor, and oil changes. 5.5kW powers my 3HP dive compressor also.