Can you have Comfort, Value and Performance in a Catamaran?

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

We have "consumed " $15000 worth of sails to do 45000 miles. A DIY re-rig, when due, should cost around $5000.

True, plus the initial cost of mast, rigging, winches, traveller etc and paying someone to do it, not DIY.

Still couldn't find a half decent cat that offered close to the comfort levels we enjoy now unless getting into the 60ft+ range and even then....
Of course then, the dollars could have purchased a small country.

[44'cruisingcat]

Why not DIY? Re rigging is something any reasonably competent and fit person can do.

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Ok, so actually you agree, you really can put your coffee down most of the time.

I'm not sure what the point of your other post was then.

Try rereading it, It was a humourous post,

About a one off comment that on exceedingly rare occasions,
You cant put your coffee cup down on a Cat and it wont stay where you put it,

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Why not DIY? Re rigging is something any reasonably competent and fit person can do.

Plenty in this world dont tick those boxes.

There's also
Time
Inclination
Skills
Access to space and gear.

Not everyone can access a TIG and weld S/S and Alloy for the section and boom.

Some people can't even manage to mix resin correctly, I doubt they have the skills for splicing double braid or dyneema or drilling out and adding hard spots to core to mount winches correctly.

Thats why most people have to pay "actual" money for things, not sweat equity.
Add in real costs and things look dramatically different

[44'cruisingcat]

Yes, there are people who are neither competent nor fit. A sailing boat is probably not a good choice for them.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Yes, there are people who are neither competent nor fit. A sailing boat is probably not a good choice for them.

Well, with your definition of who should own a boat you have just wiped 99.9% of owners out of the market.

With a glut of boats coming up for sale maybe I'll get my 60ft+ ft cat cheap cheap yet

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Well, with your definition of who should own a boat you have just wiped 99.9% of owners out of the market.

With a glut of boats coming up for sale maybe I'll get my 60ft+ ft cat cheap cheap yet

I doubt if only 0.1% of boat owners are competent and fit. Almost every boat owner I know would be capable of doing a re-rig, if they'd just give it a try.

That number must be according to your definitions, not mine. Good to see you consider yourself to be in the top 0.1% of the population though....

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

I doubt if only 0.1% of boat owners are competent and fit. Almost every boat owner I know would be capable of doing a re-rig, if they'd just give it a try.
....

I'm basing my assumption on the amount of boats needing outsiders to perform relatively easy maintenance tasks.
Look at any marina/boatyard/internet forum for evidence.

Perhaps and most likely my 99.9% guesstimate was off
Maybe 95% is a better guess, maybe 90%?
What number would you think, realistically, would build their own boat and masts and..... why is their time, labour and opportunity cost worth nothing in your eyes?

And while almost every boat owner that you know (mostly full time cruisers?) and that you feel are capable would their insurance provider agree?

That number must be according to your definitions, not mine. Good to see you consider yourself to be in the top 0.1% of the population though

I consider myself capable of doing it because I have been in the industry most of my life and have built boats and masts.
My wife, who was an office worker freely admits she would not be capable, though I know she could if her hand was held through the process.
I daresay most of the worlds boat owners, especially those without some form of hands on skills would feel similarly overwhelmed and, pay to get it done by a pro.

[44'cruisingcat]

I'll give you one thing. You really must be in the world's top 0.1% when it comes to making assumptions and putting words in other people's mouths....

[Tupaia]

If you are comparing apples with apples "costs". Then rigging is something that power boats don't require at all so the costs of getting someone else to do it must be taken into account when making the comparison.


If you choose to do it DIY is irrelvant as power boats don't do it at all.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Tupaia

If you are comparing apples with apples "costs". Then rigging is something that power boats don't require at all so the costs of getting someone else to do it must be taken into account when making the comparison.


If you choose to do it DIY is irrelvant as power boats don't do it at all.

Ok, so the cost savings for DIY engine maintenance are also irrelevant? Given that powerboats will typically have much larger engines and will log more hours on them. (Some sailing boats don't have engines)

I'd suggest that any money saved will be relevant to the person who saved it.

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

I'll give you one thing. You really must be in the world's top 0.1% when it comes to making assumptions and putting words in other people's mouths....

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Ok, so the cost savings for DIY engine maintenance are also irrelevant? Given that powerboats will typically have much larger engines and will log more hours on them. (Some sailing boats don't have engines)

I'd suggest that any money saved will be relevant to the person who saved it.

Yes, I would agree when comparing, engine maintenance should be included and it is likely that power boats will have higher hours and more maintenance.



But you also have to take into account the fuel and engine maintenance that sailing boats use not just their sails and rigging.

[jalfrezi]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Can I have value, performance and comfort in one boat? It does not seem like it. Let's say my budget is 750k but I don't want to buy anything older than 2015. The boat must be >48ft. I have 4 kids and I'd like a minimum of 4 cabins. I prioritize comfort and value but I would LOVE a bit of performance. From what I've read, it's going to be difficult.

Requirements:

• 2015 or newer
• 750k or lessr
• 4 cabin minumum
• 48' or bigger
• hybrid helm, (no flybridge. Aft helm not preferred...but
• safe

with these requirements i'm steered towards the production cats. Leopard 48, FP Saba or Lagoon 52S. I also like the older Privilege 5 or Serie 5.

I read (and looked at specs!) that these boats are heavy and not going to move too well.

If you needed comfort and value, what boat would you choose that would give it a leg up on the 'performance' side (or can i have it too?).

There is only one choice. A Dazcat

[jalfrezi]

Originally Posted by Mr B

Try rereading it, It was a humourous post,

About a one off comment that on exceedingly rare occasions,
You cant put your coffee cup down on a Cat and it wont stay where you put it,

https://www.multihullcentre.com/dazcat-catamaran-range/

[GaryMcKinnon]

I can put you on to a 2019 Lagoon 52S that is basically a distressed sale. All the bells and whistles. If you have cash you could negotiate it to 750K......