|
|
16-06-2011, 08:07
|
#91
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Socal
Boat: Beneteau 36.7
Posts: 386
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Except when close hauled my full keel goes faster than many (most?) similarly sized coastal cruisers finnies seen around San Diego. Mainly because their owners don't seem to know what they are doing....
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 17:15
|
#92
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 155
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
I guess I'm w/ SaltMonkey on his order of preference. I now have a boat w/ the rudder just hanging out there and it's OK on the Chesapeake Bay, but, from a structural standpoint, the idea of my rudder just sticking out the bottom of my boat on a shaft would worry me if I were half way to Bermuda. Speed is good, but on a long trip I think comfort, stability, and strength are better. There are going to be many opinions, but remember we sail the same ocean men have sailed for centuries and more. Computer design is all well and good, but what have men trusted their lives to in the past?
__________________
How much deeper would the ocean be without sponges?
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 17:36
|
#93
|
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
spade rudders can be ok--is a matter of what it you hit and just how hard ye hit it,,and what situation is it under wthey been used many decades now--- what year is yours?
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 19:01
|
#94
|
cruiser
Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
spades can be stronger and safer than a skeg. yes, safer. If a skeg breaks off you get a nice BIG hole.
Spades are fine. You should always carry a spare backup rudder anyway no matter what boat.
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 19:04
|
#95
|
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Boat: Niagara 35
Posts: 1,878
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Quote:
Originally Posted by keelbolts
...There are going to be many opinions, but remember we sail the same ocean men have sailed for centuries and more. Computer design is all well and good, but what have men trusted their lives to in the past?
|
Well, I wouldn't want to put to sea in most of the things men have trusted their lives to in the past. They didn't have the choice! I think I'm more than a little bit safer in my fin keel, spade rudder Niagara 35 than in one of Eric the Red's open longboats! Have you seen the freeboard on those things??
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 19:26
|
#96
|
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia, USA & Krabi, Thailand
Boat: Wauquiez Pretorien 35
Posts: 2,819
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Quote:
Originally Posted by keelbolts
I guess I'm w/ SaltMonkey on his order of preference. I now have a boat w/ the rudder just hanging out there and it's OK on the Chesapeake Bay, but, from a structural standpoint, the idea of my rudder just sticking out the bottom of my boat on a shaft would worry me if I were half way to Bermuda. Speed is good, but on a long trip I think comfort, stability, and strength are better. There are going to be many opinions, but remember we sail the same ocean men have sailed for centuries and more. Computer design is all well and good, but what have men trusted their lives to in the past?
|
Let's see ... sailing by the stars, square sails, wooden hulls and spars, hemp rope, stones for ballast, ... anything appeal to you yet?
__________________
Mundis Ex Igne Factus Est
|
|
|
16-06-2011, 19:28
|
#97
|
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kansas City, MO
Boat: In the hunt again, unknown
Posts: 1,331
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
spades can be stronger and safer than a skeg. yes, safer. If a skeg breaks off you get a nice BIG hole.
Spades are fine. You should always carry a spare backup rudder anyway no matter what boat.
|
I agree, but the wiseman not only carries it, he knows how to install it, otherwise it is ballast.
I've always wondered how many people carry an emergency rudder, and out of that number, how many have actually tried to use it before it became an emergency.
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 16:18
|
#98
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 155
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Actually Doodles, sailing by the stars, square sails, wooden hulls and spars appeal to me fine. Hemp rope & stones for ballast don't do as much for me. I guess you could smoke the rope...
__________________
How much deeper would the ocean be without sponges?
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 16:30
|
#99
|
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Quote:
Originally Posted by keelbolts
Actually Doodles, sailing by the stars, square sails, wooden hulls and spars appeal to me fine. Hemp rope & stones for ballast don't do as much for me. I guess you could smoke the rope...
|
ever steer by using your sails instead of the rudder?/is a good safety measure......
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 16:31
|
#100
|
cruiser
Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
thats assuming you have a sail AHA!!!
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 16:35
|
#101
|
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
AHA!!!!
was wondering where ye was...
powerboat would be difficult to steer via sails.... hopefully they are still on boat....i have spares.....some....lil small sails...
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 16:55
|
#102
|
cruiser
Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
thats assuming you have an injin! AHA!!!!!
|
|
|
17-06-2011, 17:01
|
#103
|
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
thats assuming you have an injin! AHA!!!!!
|
rofl--is also assuming there is a boat.......
|
|
|
18-06-2011, 00:32
|
#104
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,042
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
I think seafood chowder is best, lots of bits of fried bacon, clams, halibut,shrimp, & salmon mmmm! Of course with a cream base. Sounds real good on a blustery day anchored up in the cove somewheres.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
|
|
|
18-06-2011, 01:37
|
#105
|
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,959
|
Re: Fin Keels - Skeg Hung Rudders - Full Keels
There's some safety in fin keels and spade rudders....that you can escape bad situations much faster...not sit and get clobbered. Or get down the California coast in three days instead of being exposed for 5 or more.
|
|
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Advertise Here
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Vendor Spotlight |
|
|
|
|
|