Northwest Passage

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Some forecasts for communities along the NWP

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-15_metric_e.html

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-24_metric_e.html

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-27_metric_e.html

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-10_metric_e.html

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-25_metric_e.html

Almost all temperatures are above average.

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-25_metric_e.html
3.8℃ above normal but still almost 5℃ below the record
And expected to be back to normal temps tomorrow

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-10_metric_e.html
2℃ above average but will be back below tomorrow


https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-27_metric_e.html

Right at the normal temps.

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-24_metric_e.html
Highs a bit above normal but lows normal for this time of year .

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-15_metric_e.html

Day temps 4℃ above average but well below (5.7℃) record temps .
Night lows within normal range for low.

By the weekend all are expected to be back at or below normal .

What is your point to all of this which you yourself say has naught to do with the Fast ice in the NWP at this time ?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Long term ice extent

falsified as always from you
But it as you said yourself it has nothing to do with the NWP

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

falsified as always from you
But it as you said yourself it has nothing to do with the NWP

NSIDC does not falsify data.

Posting misinformation from Tony Heller, WUWT or NTZ diminishes what little credibility your have.

Meanwhile:

First, there is no point in the past 150 years where sea ice extent is as small as it has been in recent years. Second, the rate of sea ice retreat in recent years is also unprecedented in the historical record. And, third, the natural fluctuations in sea ice over multiple decades are generally smaller than the year-to-year variability.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-po...e-history-1850

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-25_metric_e.html
3.8℃ above normal but still almost 5℃ below the record
And expected to be back to normal temps tomorrow

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-10_metric_e.html
2℃ above average but will be back below tomorrow


https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-27_metric_e.html

Right at the normal temps.

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-24_metric_e.html
Highs a bit above normal but lows normal for this time of year .

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-15_metric_e.html

Day temps 4℃ above average but well below (5.7℃) record temps .
Night lows within normal range for low.

By the weekend all are expected to be back at or below normal .

What is your point to all of this which you yourself say has naught to do with the Fast ice in the NWP at this time ?

What part of above average temperatures do you not understand? What past of no temperatures below 0C do you not understand?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

What part of above average temperatures do you not understand? What past of no temperatures below 0C do you not understand?

what part of short term temperature spikes do you not understand .

But as you say it has nothing to do with the fast ice in the NWP .

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

what part of short term temperature spikes do you not understand .

But as you say it has nothing to do with the fast ice in the NWP .

So, what's your explanation for the arctic sea ice extinct?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

So, what's your explanation for the arctic sea ice extinct?

simple it is not extinct
There is actually 9.1 million km2
I wouldn't call that extinct

[DeepFrz]

Originally Posted by newhaul

simple it is not extinct
There is actually 9.1 million km2
I wouldn't call that extinct

That is a misleading and untrue statement. Right now there is 9.1 million km2 of all ice in the arctic. Only a small fraction of that is "Old Ice" or "Multi Year Ice". The NWP ice is breaking up quite rapidly right now.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

That is a misleading and untrue statement. Right now there is 9.1 million km2 of all ice in the arctic. Only a small fraction of that is "Old Ice" or "Multi Year Ice". The NWP ice is breaking up quite rapidly right now.

actually you should read the post from teddy that I was responding to more carefully.

Here it is " So, what's your explanation for the arctic sea ice extinct?"

Do I need to post a definition of the word extinct?


ex·tinct
/ikˈstiNG(k)t/
adjective
(of a species, family, or other larger group) having no living members.
"trilobites and dinosaurs are extinct"
synonyms: vanished, lost, died out, dead, defunct, no longer existing, no longer extant, wiped out, destroyed, exterminated, gone
"an extinct species"
no longer in existence..

There is still sea ice in the arctic therefore it is not by definition extinct .

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

actually you should read the post from teddy that I was responding to more carefully.

Here it is " So, what's your explanation for the arctic sea ice extinct?"

Do I need to post a definition of the word extinct?


ex·tinct
/ikˈstiNG(k)t/
adjective
(of a species, family, or other larger group) having no living members.
"trilobites and dinosaurs are extinct"
synonyms: vanished, lost, died out, dead, defunct, no longer existing, no longer extant, wiped out, destroyed, exterminated, gone
"an extinct species"
no longer in existence..

There is still sea ice in the arctic therefore it is not by definition extinct .

Nitpicking wont help you. Arctic is a big place and some places the ice is allready extinct, some places it will extinct in the near future and in some later. What comes to nitpicking my original question about the extinct was progressive without tenses as past, present, future etc. So if you mind not being smart*** and answer the question
BR Teddy

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

Nitpicking wont help you. Arctic is a big place and some places the ice is allready extinct, some places it will extinct in the near future and in some later. What comes to nitpicking my original question about the extinct was progressive without tenses as past, present, future etc. So if you mind not being smart*** and answer the question
BR Teddy

really you are not as smart as you want people to believe are you .

The entire arctic ocean was frozen over the winter. So I would say that it is not extinct.

This is aside from as jack would say not germane to the substance of the thread which according to the title the NWP which as of the first of July still frozen solidly with fast ice according to environment Canada

I posted the charts .

https://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/cgi-bin/...wrap=1&lang=en

https://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/cgi-bin/...wrap=1&lang=en

Lets at least try to stay on point.

[DeepFrz]

Did he mean "extent"? That's how I read it anyway.

Anyway, extent is one thing and "ice concentration" is another. Both show signs of extreme melting of the ice with much of the area being covered with broken ice and ice floes.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Did he mean "extent"? That's how I read it anyway.

Anyway, extent is one thing and "ice concentration" is another. Both show signs of extreme melting of the ice with much of the area being covered with broken ice and ice floes.

normally o would tend to agree that it was an auto correct issue but he is usually quite concise and considering his followup postings I do believe he did in fact mean extinct.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

normally o would tend to agree that it was an auto correct issue but he is usually quite concise and considering his followup postings I do believe he did in fact mean extinct.

I did mean extinct. What I mean by it is the ongoing process of the diminishing extent and volume of the sea ice in polar regions. In few decades the extent has gone down (just approximates here) about 10% during winter and 40% during summer. The volume loss is even more closer to 70%. If the Arctic will be free of ice during summer after a while is there any "arctic sea ice" anymore? In my opinion no, as winter ice is not multiyear ice instead it just seasonal ice as in Baltic or inland lakes. The same is true with permafrost thou much slower process. So when there will be no multiyear ice and no permafrost there's no Arctic either as it's the very thing defining Arctic.

[SailOar]

You don't really have a polar-capable boat until your boat can sail sideways through the ice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwe0MHRaqhA