Trucking in Europe Dk to Es? Referrals/warnings

[sepharad]

I am considering various options on moving a boat from Aarhus DK to Vigo ES.

This would be my trucking question for anyone familiar with a similar process in the E.U.

Anyone out there who has shipped by truck a vessel on a similar route?

I am not looking for a quote as much as heads-up warnings for truck delivery on the continent.

I am looking for any firms that people have had particular success or failure with, on the continent.

I will post separately about possible delivery skippers.

Thanks for helping the inexperienced.

[carstenb]

If you are thinking about trucking your Vancouver 27 that distance, I would think it would be expensive when looked at compared to the value of the boat. (I have no experience with trucking a boat).

If you contact FTLF (PM me if you don't know them), then I think you can find a delivery skipper who will make that run with you for much less than it will cost to truck it. You can take the coastal route, (standing mast route through Netherlands) then along the French and Spanish coasts. If you keep a close eye on the weather, the only real issue will be rounding Capo Finisterre - but you should be able to find a weather window there too.

Of course - this is the wrong season to try to sail that stretch - so if you need the boat there soon - you will have to truck it

[sepharad]

Ahhh. Timing is a point. We are talking Rigging, launching and shaking-down in March, then sailing in April through the Kiel canal, if it comes to that. (Trucking of course avoids all this.)



I do not know FTLF and will send you a note for reference. I understand that per mile typically they are close on cost with Trucking a bit higher, but until have have a few quotes I wont know.


Cost is what it is. I am not going to be able to sell and replace the boat here.
And what boat is ever worth the cost expended, unless it is free. They are all holes in the water.


I bought a boat in Denmark and Covid makes my plans to keep and sail her there unrealistic, Thus bring her nearby.


Thanks Carsten.

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by sepharad

Ahhh. Timing is a point. We are talking Rigging, launching and shaking-down in March, then sailing in April through the Kiel canal, if it comes to that. (Trucking of course avoids all this.)



I do not know FTLF and will send you a note for reference. I understand that per mile typically they are close on cost with Trucking a bit higher, but until have have a few quotes I wont know.


Cost is what it is. I am not going to be able to sell and replace the boat here.
And what boat is ever worth the cost expended, unless it is free. They are all holes in the water.


I bought a boat in Denmark and Covid makes my plans to keep and sail her there unrealistic, Thus bring her nearby.


Thanks Carsten.

FTLF is the Danish Ocean Cruisers Association (link here: https://www.ftlf.dk/) At the top of the website is a banner - Facts about FTLF in English (link here: https://ftlf2017.dk.idefadev.dk/file...jemmesiden.pdf).

FTLF maintains a list of accomplished ocean cruisers that will do delivery work. Costs etc are a negotiation. If nothing else you can certainly get excellent advice from them regarding sailing the boat down (cost of membership is around Dkr. 600 per year).

March might be little early for a delivery - FTLF can help you there

I'm currently in the other end of the world or else I could help you.

[goboatingnow]

I’ve trucked boats in Europe. For example the length of France will cost you about 7-10k euros. Depending , you may be convoy exceptional status and need a lead car etc.

Trucking costs are going through the roof at the moment.

Other then cost , there is no issue in practically doing it. There are several companies specialising in it. It’s straightforward , it’s useful to cover the boat as it gets very dirty but the cover needs to be suitable , some shrink wrap the boat.

Usually you extend your insurance to cover the trip. The trucking company will have third party liability.

Obviously you’ll need to add lifting costs each end , mast removal replacement etc. I would ensure the diesel tanks are emptied

The truck will carry the mast with the yacht usually stored on the truck bed, sometimes remaining on the yacht

Delivery by sea really is a spring time timescale now.

[carstenb]

Goboatingnow estimate is probably pretty close to what I would have thought. Most transits by truck that I have heard of have cost 10k euro+. As i noted at the start the cost of transport might exceed the value of the boat. I don’t know what a 27 footer costs in Vigo. But selling the boat in DK smd buying a new one in Spain is probably cheaper

[sepharad]

$30,000 value. None available in Spain or Portugal nor its condition. It is a Beautiful Vancouver 27 in astonishing condition and finish. I have an offer of 7,900 Euros + VAT by Van De Wetering transport, door to door. So thats a start.



Lifting and mast lift in DK are free. The vessel was fully disassembled and stored already including the engine, sails mast etc. All equipment tagged and marked. Mast and boom are located on a trolley in a mast house.



It is a bitter pill to not be able to sail her there for a year or two, learn the boat and skill set, then sail her back myself. Covid has fed many of us a bitter pill.


Now I need to find some delivery prices for a comparison and a few more truckers, though 7,900 +vat sounds about average or even low.


Carsten and Goboating, thasnk you both.

[moseriw]

Why trucking a boat when one can sail?

[sepharad]

Originally Posted by moseriw

Why trucking a boat when one can sail?

Cost, wear and tear, Covid, Flights during Covid, accommodations during Covid, crew, time, winter. Or was that a rhetorical question?

[moseriw]

sepharad and no not rethorical. Something is wrong if delivery has to be done in wintertime and from Aarhus to Latvia are some 500 NM so where is the problem for two guys to deliver it within a week in April or May when the weather is calm?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by moseriw

sepharad and no not rethorical. Something is wrong if delivery has to be done in wintertime and from Aarhus to Latvia are some 500 NM so where is the problem for two guys to deliver it within a week in April or May when the weather is calm?

I think you have misunderstood the destination port..
Its going to Vigo, a city up one of the rias of NW Spain... not Latvia..

[sepharad]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I think you have misunderstood the destination port..
Its going to Vigo, a city up one of the rias of NW Spain... not Latvia..

Thank you Boatman, indeed Moseri, you misunderstood. the boat goes to western Spain and while it can truck now. the only requirement is that it leave at the end of May.


Boatman, could I safely assume (wild guess) that a delivery skipper would charge $400/day for 2-3 weeks plus airfare, fuel, Canal fees, harbor fees and other expenses? between $5000 and $8000?


Also, even April, the Kattegat, North sea is no picnic?

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by sepharad

Thank you Boatman, indeed Moseri, you misunderstood. the boat goes to western Spain and while it can truck now. the only requirement is that it leave at the end of May.


Boatman, could I safely assume (wild guess) that a delivery skipper would charge $400/day for 2-3 weeks plus airfare, fuel, Canal fees, harbor fees and other expenses? between $5000 and $8000?


Also, even April, the Kattegat, North sea is no picnic?

The bay of biscay is the nasty part. The trip would be cold but the Bay can be really nasty. Were I to do this I would take tve standing mast route through holland then work my way around the bay harbour to harbour unless a really good weather window opened up

400 per day sounds a little high to me. Ibig the boat is small so the skipper would almost have to singlehand

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sepharad

Thank you Boatman, indeed Moseri, you misunderstood. the boat goes to western Spain and while it can truck now. the only requirement is that it leave at the end of May.


Boatman, could I safely assume (wild guess) that a delivery skipper would charge $400/day for 2-3 weeks plus airfare, fuel, Canal fees, harbor fees and other expenses? between $5000 and $8000?


Also, even April, the Kattegat, North sea is no picnic?

Dunno what the day rate is as I charge by the mile plus all expenses.. gives the owner a fixed price to go on.
Time taken is my risk, but then I am not a business so hardly any overheads. €5,000 would be high..
For me the N Sea would be the pain.. Once you've got to Falmouth wait for a 3 day window then jump across to Les Sables or Rochelle then run for N Spain with the next 3 day window which gets one round Finisterre into better weather.