Tru fuel

[transmitterdan]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Actually here in the pnw we are a carbon neutral electric state all our electricity comes from wind and hydroelectric plants not coal or nuke.

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are. Thanks for the chuckle...

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by 1affiah

So if I run straight ethanol in my 8hp tohatsu/10ft RIB I could pull waterskiers?

Yes you can pull water skiers however just like now you will never do more than mush them to run ethanol you will need to increase the fuel to air ratio by about 20% more fuel to get the same performance you get now with gasoline.

[divingbiker]

I have a buddy that owns the local Honda motorcycle dealership. He said his shop makes a fortune on repairing motorcycles running ethanol. Seems to be an issue mostly on engines that are not run frequently.

I have another buddy that owns a local rental business. He has lots of small engines, lawnmowers, chainsaws, etc. He rents all his equipment with a 5 gallon can of non ethanol gasoline and reports that his small engine repairs have dropped significantly.

Our marine business has lots of small engines. All of our small gasoline engines are fueled with non-ethanol gasoline. The only time we have issues is when one of my guys fuels one with ethanol fuel and stores the equipment for a while. It's a sure fire way of having a gummed up carburetor.

I've read all of the post on this thread and it seems that some of you guys have no issue with running ethanol fuel. I don't either in my truck that is run everyday and the fuel is turned over often. However, living in a place that has 85%- 95% humidity every day, my marine engines and small engines do much better without it.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are. Thanks for the chuckle...

Your welcome and I suppose I said it wrong we are a green power state all our power is produced using renuable resources.

[cal40john]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Documented proof please

Articles On Ethanol - Seaworthy - BoatUS

[donradcliffe]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Your welcome and I suppose I said it wrong we are a green power state all our power is produced using renuable resources.

Now I'm ROTFLMAO--care to give any documented proof of that??

BTW, you may not want to believe there are problems from using ethanol gas in boat engines, but you might be curious as to why the FAA has banned its use in airplanes.

[transmitterdan]

Over 50% of the 4 state PNW region electricity is hydro. But 25% is nuclear, coal or natural gas. This is the last time I checked. The fact that hydro is a huge percentage has nothing to do with the "green" motives. That's where the big water flows and hydro is the cheapest form of electricity. Also, 2 of the 4 states are among the least populace in terms of people per square mile in the U.S. So it's really just a freak of nature that these 4 states enjoy so much renewable energy.

[newhaul]

Never said it was green motivated its pure economics hydro is cheap to produce here in Washington and the wind farms in eastern Washington also cheap production

[transmitterdan]

Still, not all power in the PNW is renewable. There is a lot of natural gas and coal (about 25% of the total). Wind is an insignificant source (<5%) of electricity in all states.

Hydro is cheap when the federal government funds the dam construction and the O&M budget. Over 50% of the dams in Oregon are federally operated. So technically the rest of the country has invested in most of that hydro infrastructure. If the capital costs were born by the local consumers as happens in most other states (maybe not Tennessee) hydro would not probably not be as popular.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by cal40john

Articles On Ethanol - Seaworthy - BoatUS

Thank you for that link it pretty much said what I have been saying ethanol blended fuel is not an issue and e15 would actually be better than e10 for engines concerning phase separation and to prevent it have the tank full when storing for long term

[cal40john]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Thank you for that link it pretty much said what I have been saying ethanol blended fuel is not an issue and e15 would actually be better than e10 for engines concerning phase separation and to prevent it have the tank full when storing for long term

New engines are apparently working ok with alcohol. Did you read the article about older engines? It is spot on with the 7 or 8 engines that our club has. We had reached the point where we had spare carbs and an ultrasonic cleaner to swap out carbs and clean them on a regular basis. The picture with the corrosion was also pretty common. We found a gas station with no alcohol fuel which changed things. We haven't been cleaning carbs since.

The last couple of years we have been upgrading to newer engines which shouldn't be an issue any more, but we'll probably keep buying the same fuel.