The changing face of cruising in the Med.

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by Polux

The previous President of the European Commission (2 terms) was in is youth member of a Maoist extremist revolutionary party that fought against the dictatorship in Portugal. They were considered terrorists by the government.

People change but if a youngster is not an idealistic, I would say that there is nothing good to expect of him, at least in what regards a social positive role on the society. People change and hopefully for the better. Willy Brandt used to say that to be a good social democrat one has to be a leftist on his youth.

Or as they say in the South Philippines : to be 18 and be communist is to be Idealistic ,to be 30 and to be a communist is to be a fool..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

Ie . Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh,

Castro was pissed with the 'Mafia Casino' run Government and corruption was blatant and prolific..
Mao Tse Tong... he was pissed with the Nationalist corruption and Western dominance of trade etc.. and the drugs they traded like opium..
Ho Chi Min was pissed of with French colonialism and the corruption in Saigon.. no quarrel with the US of A till you stuck your nose in due to the Mcarthy paranoia.. and it still ended the same..
To you they're bad guys huh..??

[Polux]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

people don't change, they just hide for a better appearance

Well, maybe you don't change but I sure do

People change all the time learning with their mistakes and illusions. Well some don't change at all but I don't believe you are one of those.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

Or as they say in the South Philippines : to be 18 and be communist is to be Idealistic ,to be 30 and to be a communist is to be a fool..

Strange to agree with you, but yes, that's about the same thought.

[atoll]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/us...azis.html?_r=0


WASHINGTON — In the decades after World War II, the C.I.A. and other United States agencies employed at least a thousand Nazis as Cold War spies and informants and, as recently as the 1990s, concealed the government’s ties to some still living in America, newly disclosed records and interviews show.

[Wrong]

Originally Posted by Polux View Post
Followed by ant type of fundamentalist way of looking to reality, being it religious or political.

Originally Posted by Wrong

You banter about quite liberally with the word 'fundamentalist', even on one occasion using it to describe my thinking in a very inappropriate way.

Just what do you think this word means, applies to and when?

Here, to refresh your memory.

Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
The murder of tourists without any provocation is an act of terrorism. Beheading captive soldiers or civilians simply on account of their ethnicity and or religion is terrorism, and depending on scale may be considered "ethnic cleansing" or genocide.

Attempting to conflate a discussion of 'movements', political policy and objectives with the aforementioned behaviour is at the very least a mistake.

Originally Posted by Polux
Non sense calling that ethnic cleansing or genocide. All liberation movements were responsible for many innocent killings and senseless acts.

I was just looking to what are called terrorist movements and I have no sympathy for any kind of fundamentalism, that for me is an evil in itself since fundamentalism is the opposed of tolerance that can only be born for the understanding of different realities and different ways to look at reality.

Yes I agree the beheading of captive soldiers or the murder of tourists is also a senseless act but without making no excuses regarding the wrongness of that attitude it seems that when violence is upon westerners dead seems to have another value. Put that in contrast with the dead of hundred of thousands of innocent civilians that wrong western policies on the North Africa and Middle east have indirectly caused on that region...

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Castro was pissed with the 'Mafia Casino' run Government and corruption was blatant and prolific..
Mao Tse Tong... he was pissed with the Nationalist corruption and Western dominance of trade etc.. and the drugs they traded like opium..
Ho Chi Min was pissed of with French colonialism and the corruption in Saigon.. no quarrel with the US of A till you stuck your nose in due to the Mcarthy paranoia.. and it still ended the same..
To you they're bad guys huh..??

The second "Arrow war" was well over by the time Mao showed up,1860 or so..No Castro and Ho are more like double agents than terrorist in my mind and the work they did is now bearing fruit ....

[boatman61]

Don't get what Castro and Minh have to do with this.. apart from both being communist States who defended their lands and freedom and are coming out the other side..
Guess you don't like decent cigars..
I'd be more worried about Greece reneaging and dropping outa the EU then courting Putin as a fresh source of revenue.. the petals have been strewn.. lovely stratigic spot for the Russian fleet.. and the 'Game' goes on..

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Wrong

You banter about quite liberally with the word 'fundamentalist', even on one occasion using it to describe my thinking in a very inappropriate way.

Just what do you think this word means, applies to and when?

Well, it is just how I see your line of thought but it has nothing to do with inappropriate neither with all those out of context posts that you have taken from another thread, it has to do with this:

"The fundamentalist mindset is defined as one that cannot be changed by evidence."

The silliest smear | The Economist

Reading this book my help to understand the type of fundamentalist thought I am talking about that is not a exclusive of Muslim Fundamentalists:

"9/11, suicide bombings in the Middle East, anti-abortion terrorism, the American militia movement, teaching creationism in schools, the collapse of the Argentinian economy, the rise of the far right in Europe, riots at Miss World: what ties these seemingly unrelated phenomena together? All are products of a fundamentalist mentality, determined to crush all opposing ideas."

Icon Books » Fundamentalist World

and yes, the fundamentalist thought, as I said previously " is the opposed of tolerance that can only be born from the understanding of different realities and different ways to look at reality".

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Don't get what Castro and Minh have to do with this.. apart from both being communist States who defended their lands and freedom and are coming out the other side..
Guess you don't like decent cigars..
I'd be more worried about Greece reneaging and dropping outa the EU then courting Putin as a fresh source of revenue.. the petals have been strewn.. lovely stratigic spot for the Russian fleet.. and the 'Game' goes on..

From terrorist to statesmen is what they have to do with it,but I dont believe that either were what they seem to be according to history..Cuba will now join the rest of the country's that run the machination of all good things in the world as well as Vietnam,aint it funny how after the cold war ended that the ones that were enemy's are now part and parcel of the very things that they purported to be against for all those years..

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

From terrorist to statesmen is what they have to do with it,but I dont believe that either were what they seem to be according to history..Cuba will now join the rest of the country's that run the machination of all good things in the world as well as Vietnam,aint it funny how after the cold war ended that the ones that were enemy's are now part and parcel of the very things that they purported to be against for all those years..

And friends to enemies.. its the way of the world and political expedience.. never change..

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Don't get what ...
I'd be more worried about Greece reneaging and dropping outa the EU then courting Putin as a fresh source of revenue.. the petals have been strewn.. lovely stratigic spot for the Russian fleet.. and the 'Game' goes on..

Yes that is a real possibility. It all depends how it goes the Greek government blackmail with EC and the global reaction. If it was only with France and Germany it could work, since they will be more aware of the geo-strategical consequences but I am afraid that it will have to do with all other EC countries and I don't believe the majority will buy it.

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by boatman61

And friends to enemies.. its the way of the world and political expedience.. never change..

Thats it I dont belive that they were enemys i think they were roll playing so as to be able to fight the real enemy when the time came.. The real enemy of the west is the east and I mean all the way to the Pacfic coast..East from the Dardanelles to The Port of Dandong and that little spit of land that is the buffer between Commisum and Capitalism(North Korea) ..

[Andy73]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

Or as they say in the South Philippines : to be 18 and be communist is to be Idealistic ,to be 30 and to be a communist is to be a fool..

I heard it as...

If you are under 30 and are a republican you don't have a heart...

If you are over 30 and are a democrat you don't have a brain...

[weavis]

Its a source of amazement and amusement that any thread on CF, regardless of the topic will develop into a bunfight.

Im disappointed in myself and the contributors that despite, politics and guns being mentioned........ we did not manage to include anchors within the topic.

We really need to work on it. !!