Sailboat Seized with Guns in Tulum, Mexico

[s/v 'Faith']

I can certainly understand why Mexico (having such a high standard of law and order) would want to be so tough on crime....

We will all be safer when only the drug cartels are armed.

[hellosailor]

"Many companies make a civilian semi-only version of the AK-47. Just because it is a "real" AK does not mean it's fully auto. AK-47 is a model of gun, not a brand. "

Well, Mr. Kalishnakov, whose name is on the gun, would disagree with you. His revolutionary design was to use a tipping bolt, for a fully automatic rifle that could be built cheaply in mass quantities by literally any bicycle factory. The "AK" literally stands for AUTOMAT Kalishnakov, i.e. AUTOMATIC not semi-automatic.

A licensed AK-47 will be fully automatic. The fact that a lot of wannabees produce unlicensed "sporterized" or "civilian" versions, does not make them AK-47's. I can buy a fully automatic M16 from multiple sources, but once it loses the automatic fire option, it becomes an AR15, and the AR comes from the original maker "Armalite" not from Automatic Rifle, which it isn't.

Go back to the 1980's before all the rabid gun band started, and there was no confusion between these rifles. An semiautomatic AK-47, is not an AK-47. It is a knock-off of some kind, and it may be equally reliable and effective, but it is probably a variant of the SKS, which always was semiautomatic.

I've got a Ferrari. Well, it's a kit car and it really has a VW engine, but it LOOKS just like a Ferrari. Ah, no, that's not a Ferrari. And I'll bet it isn't licensed as one, either.

The guy looks like a...well, not your typical Yachtsman. Maybe he has a real AK, but from the web nooze...all I see is confusion, and way too many arms for a small boat making a pleasure trip from FL to CA. Where the authorities take about the same view of an AK47 as the Mexicans do. He's in deep kinchee no matter where he goes now.

[sycankiz]

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

I can certainly understand why Mexico (having such a high standard of law and order) would want to be so tough on crime....

We will all be safer when only the drug cartels are armed.

it is the same.... An ARSENAL full of boat Or a boat full of Arsenal...

Does it really matter where we are ?

l

[Kenomac]

Just looking at the picture of the guy tells me there's much more to the story.

Point of information regarding AK-47s: The USA civilian version is semi-auto. It's not legal in the USA to own a fully automatic weapon as a civilian unless one has a special collector's license. If a collector has a fully automatic version, it would be illegal to carry it around in a boat for personal protection purposes. The same is true for AR-15 weapons.

[sycankiz]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

"Many companies make a civilian semi-only version of the AK-47. Just because it is a "real" AK does not mean it's fully auto. AK-47 is a model of gun, not a brand. "

Well, Mr. Kalishnakov, whose name is on the gun, would disagree with you. His revolutionary design was to use a tipping bolt, for a fully automatic rifle that could be built cheaply in mass quantities by literally any bicycle factory. The "AK" literally stands for AUTOMAT Kalishnakov, i.e. AUTOMATIC not semi-automatic.

A licensed AK-47 will be fully automatic. The fact that a lot of wannabees produce unlicensed "sporterized" or "civilian" versions, does not make them AK-47's. I can buy a fully automatic M16 from multiple sources, but once it loses the automatic fire option, it becomes an AR15, and the AR comes from the original maker "Armalite" not from Automatic Rifle, which it isn't.

Go back to the 1980's before all the rabid gun band started, and there was no confusion between these rifles. An semiautomatic AK-47, is not an AK-47. It is a knock-off of some kind, and it may be equally reliable and effective, but it is probably a variant of the SKS, which always was semiautomatic.

I've got a Ferrari. Well, it's a kit car and it really has a VW engine, but it LOOKS just like a Ferrari. Ah, no, that's not a Ferrari. And I'll bet it isn't licensed as one, either.

The guy looks like a...well, not your typical Yachtsman. Maybe he has a real AK, but from the web nooze...all I see is confusion, and way too many arms for a small boat making a pleasure trip from FL to CA. Where the authorities take about the same view of an AK47 as the Mexicans do. He's in deep kinchee no matter where he goes now.

Too many aBRREVEİTONS FOR ME....

[Tellie]

Before this thread gets banned. The harder I look at this dudes picture, and I could be wrong again, the less I believe those are real tattoos.

[Madwand]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

Well, Mr. Kalishnakov, whose name is on the gun, would disagree with you.

So a Chinese AK-47, which is built exactly the same and fires fully automatic would not, by your definition, be an AK-47.

There is no distinction between an auto AK-47 and a civilian AK-47 as there is between an M16 and a civilian AR-15. The only difference between the two AKs is in the fire control group. One has selective fire and the other doesn't. Just because someone invents something doesn't mean no copies are ever made.

Just because John Browning invented the 1911 .45 doesn't mean my Springfield Arms 1911 is not a 1911.

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by Tellie

Before this thread gets banned. The harder I look at this dudes picture, and I could be wrong again, the less I believe those are real tattoos.

Let's hope so. Prison tats would be pretty rough, tho.

[Astrid]

Actually the AK47 uses a rotating bolt while the SKS45 uses the tilting bolt. The A in AK simply stands Автомат which itself is short for Автоматическая загрузка, or auto loading. The AK47 was designed as a selective fire weapon operating in either semi-auto or full auto modes depending on the tactical situation. As far as I know, there is no separate designation for an strictly semi auto AK47 and the selective fire version, unlike the AR15/M16 designations.

One more little point, civilian use and ownership of the AK47 and its ammunition is strictly banned in Mexico.

[minaret]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

Let's hope so. Prison tats would be pretty rough, tho.

Pretty sure those are prison tats, looks like spoon ink to me. You would think Aryan Brotherhood tweeker from the "Wig" tat, but does it say "MS13" in his hairline over his right temple there? That would explain everything.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

[jeremiason]

Hey son what did you learn on the Cruiser's Sailing Forum today?


Well Dad, I learned the difference between an AK-47 and knock off.... Oh and I learned that when I go out on the sailboat, I should remember that if I am about to ground the boat in Mexico throw all the weapons overboard

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by maytrix

I'm not a big fan of tattoos in general, but something is off when you tattoo your face. I'd like to see what she looks like.

Me Missus had facial tattoos , albeit only her eyelids.

..........and funnily enough she never needed to carry a gun, partly because she could look scary. but mostly because she was .

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by jeremiason

Hey son what did you learn on the Cruiser's Sailing Forum today?

Well Dad, I learned the difference between an AK-47 and knock off.... Oh and I learned that when I go out on the sailboat, I should remember that if I am about to ground the boat in Mexico throw all the weapons overboard

If the boats on the ground , ain't it a bit late to throw anything overboard !!

Dave

[avb3]

Let's keep the discussion to facts. Personal attacks and politics don't belong here.... some posts have disappeared, along with the responses to them.

avb3
Moderator

[nimblemotors]

Originally Posted by Tellie

Before this thread gets banned. The harder I look at this dudes picture, and I could be wrong again, the less I believe those are real tattoos.

I think you might be on to something there. The guy is actually a US government undercover agent and this boat/gun arrest is a setup to get him into prison to gather intel on mexican cartel.
The tats are too prison gang authentic, the pregnant wife classic spy work.