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12-08-2013, 22:46
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#76
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by Kenomac
Just because someone labels themselves differently, does not make it OK for them to endanger the rest of us with their reckless behavior. Idiotic behavior is what makes one an idiot.
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Most of the sailing icons, and really anyone who spends enough time on the water eventually (via circumstance), is singlehanding.
Joshua Slocum
Bernard Moitessier
Matt Rutherford (solo'd the Americas last year)
Jim Howard (long time sailor, author)
All incredible mariners with staggering sea time and experiences. Labeling them as idiots is a little much.
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12-08-2013, 23:11
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#77
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
I've no barney with singlehanders, but it does break the rules
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Barney...Barney Rubble...rubble...rub. You have no rub with singlehanders, so I have that right?
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12-08-2013, 23:19
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#78
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by rebel heart
I just can't see that as something that works long term. We're leaving on the Pacific crossing in the spring and it just boggles my mind that anyone is going to sit there, for weeks, pulling constant shifts just staring into the ocean for hours.
No fishing, no reading, no music, no listening to podcasts... , that's just cruel.
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That's not cruel. What's cruel is watching a man after running out of twice watered down liquor and no cigarettes for what's likely to be at least 3 more weeks unless we happen upon another vessel with smokers onboard. That isn't me I'm describing. Watching helplessly is almost as cruel. Just be ware of how he responds.
As for as standing watch, I agree with Barnacle. But this ain't the military with a full watch. When cruising you're short handed even with a few others onboard unless they all are on their A game and all the time. So standing watch means you are wearing many hats which means you can roam the boat looking for things to be done. And there are always things to be done. In fact, if you're sitting in a chair burning your eyeballs you are slacking.
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13-08-2013, 02:00
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#79
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
Boat: Island Packet 40
Posts: 6,469
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
In the version I have of the Colregs Rule 3: Definitions (f) states:
The term "vessel not under command" means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefor unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.
Whether or not it is appropriate to heave to and display the correct lights or shapes to indicate a "vessel not under command" whilst a single hander has a nap appears to depend upon whether the need to have the nap might be considered "exceptional circumstances". One might validly claim that in the instance of a severe nap attack there is insufficient competent crew to safely work the vessel. If the court accepted this one would only then have the problem of whether or not you should be out there by yourself in the first place.
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13-08-2013, 03:07
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#80
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lake Macquarie
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
There's seems to me to be a huge gap here between theory (or ********?) and practice. I have been on many fully crewed boats on passage with a 24/7 watch system. I would probably trust the dilligent single hander more to keep an effective watch than any of these fully crewed boats, one was even as we sat for our yachtmaster ticket with a (yawning) yactmaster instructor aboard. The competent single hander knows and asseses the risks and works out how to best minimise them. He has total control over the human element and can set a whole range of alarms which, although not foolproof, have proven to be more reliable than the human substitutes. The skipper of a crewed boat has to trust that his crew is not day dreaming or even snoozing on watch and my experience is that mostly are.
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13-08-2013, 05:21
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#82
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Long Range Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
huh, whats happening when you're head is in the galley?
dave
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Yes, Dave. The person ON-watch cooks.
Sleep is importnat for the off-watch crew and the on-watch crew needs to be active to keep alert. Bouncing up and down the compainwaiy certainly does that.
If they are so incompetant as a cook, or the cruising area so congested, then the off watch will just be on a diet, but at least well rested.
Note again: The CIA/armies etc uses sleep deprevation as a torture.... Note that well! No good sleeep is v bad
Mark
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13-08-2013, 05:58
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
Posts: 10,564
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by Kenomac
Just because someone labels themselves differently, does not make it OK for them to endanger the rest of us with their reckless behavior. Idiotic behavior is what makes one an idiot.
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With the speed she made it around, I don't believe there was a lot of Heave Too (ing) going on while she slept. (And) It seems like she was applauded for her feat rather than being called derogatory names.
Jessica Watson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10/8/2009 - 5/15/2010
No watch keeping for this guy either: (while he slept)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Sunderland
Then there's James Baldwin, Robin Lee Graham, Tania Aebi .............
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13-08-2013, 06:36
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#85
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne Australia
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
Thats Funny Boatie, Hahahahaha
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13-08-2013, 06:38
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Marylands Famous Eastern Shore
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by Rakuflames
It is because of such language, which sounds vague to the laymen but will have clear meaning to lawyers and judges in a maritime court of law, that we laymen should not be making decisions based on our "understanding" of the law.
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Why would you think words represent some sort of code in maritime law?
The words are purposely vague for everyone. That is what creates the room for debate and interpretation. That is the basis for the system.
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13-08-2013, 07:03
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Moderator
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Location: aboard, in Tasmania, Australia
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
Hi, guys,
I think it's important to keep watch as well as possible, and to keep your boat lit at night.
IMO, there's nothing "idiotic" about shorthanded sailing. Such labeling is offensive. And honestly, reading through all these posts, with whom would you rather share an ocean:
the man who labels you "idiot"?
or the man who'll divert course to see if all's well?
Ann
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13-08-2013, 07:04
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
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Originally Posted by RaymondR
In the version I have of the Colregs Rule 3: Definitions (f) states:
The term "vessel not under command" means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefor unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.
Whether or not it is appropriate to heave to and display the correct lights or shapes to indicate a "vessel not under command" whilst a single hander has a nap appears to depend upon whether the need to have the nap might be considered "exceptional circumstances". One might validly claim that in the instance of a severe nap attack there is insufficient competent crew to safely work the vessel. If the court accepted this one would only then have the problem of whether or not you should be out there by yourself in the first place.
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While that is the definition, various guides to the Colregs provide interpretations:
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A vessel claiming not-under-command status must (1) find itself in exceptional circumstances, and (2) thereby be unable to maneuver as would ordinarily be required by the Rules. The following are examples of conditions that could result in not-under-command status:
Vessel with anchor down but not holding
Vessel riding on anchor chains
Vessel with inoperative steering gear
Sailing vessel becalmed or in irons
Exceptionally bad weather (relative to vessel claiming status)
Vessels claiming not-under-command status are considered to be underway. That is, they re not considered to be at anchor, made fast to the shore, or aground.
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About the author's
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Chris Llana is a former Coast Guard officer with a B.S. in naval architecture and marine engineering and advanced degrees in marine affairs (MMA) and law (JD). During his tenure as a civilian at Coast Guard Headquarters, he drafted the annexes to the Inland Navigation Rules and wrote other regulations implementing both International and Inland Navigation Rules. Subsequent to that, he worked for Comsat Corporation on policy issues concerning the International Maritime Satellite Organization. He currently writes novels and maintains a web site on the U.S. transition to the ATSC digital TV standard.
George Wisneskey is a graduate of the Coast Guard Academy and holds a master's degree in education from the George Washington University. As chief of the Coast Guard's Rules of the Road Branch before his retirement in 1982, he oversaw the drafting of the Inland Navigational Rules Act of 1980. He is currently an active player in the Neuse River Foundation from his home base on North Carolina's coast.
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13-08-2013, 09:13
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#89
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard5
Barney...Barney Rubble...rubble...rub. You have no rub with singlehanders, so I have that right?
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Trouble , I have no trouble with singlehanders , ie barney rubble , trouble , shheesh what's happened to English.
Dave
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13-08-2013, 09:15
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ
Yes, Dave. The person ON-watch cooks.
Sleep is importnat for the off-watch crew and the on-watch crew needs to be active to keep alert. Bouncing up and down the compainwaiy certainly does that.
If they are so incompetant as a cook, or the cruising area so congested, then the off watch will just be on a diet, but at least well rested.
Note again: The CIA/armies etc uses sleep deprevation as a torture.... Note that well! No good sleeep is v bad
Mark
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So the on watch , supposedly watching out and sailing , spends what 30-40 minutes in the galley. !!!
Dave
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