Is your boat part of your Doomsday Plan?

[jpendoley]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I see them as mutually supportive of each other.
Personally I see a Doomsday scenario about as plausible as me winning the Lottery (I have never and never will buy a ticket )

Other than the defense issue which I will ignore, and please lets ignore that one OK? I think what would make a good doomsday escape survival boat, would make a good long range cruising vessel?
Instead of building a remote cabin / compound in the mountains, or a bomb shelter, doesn't a cruising boat make more sense, and likely be a more effective survival strategy too?

So when you grow up or learn to accept that you can do nothing about whatever used to worry you, you can go cruising in your old age.
What are you going to do with a bomb shelter, convert it into a rec room?

I do have friends that made their 60s era fallout shelter in their basement into a great wine cellar....

[roland stockham]

YES

(plus the required 2 extra characters to make 5...)

[StuM]

Originally Posted by RPZ

Ask them what website was attacked. There isn't one. There is no website accessible from the www to go to and hack a power grid system. You can not access a closed system from the www. It is a physical and scientific impossibility. The only possible way is if the closed system had open direct wireless access, and I have never heard of a major infrastructure system that had open wireless access. Now if an infiltrator works for a power generation company, has console access, yes, they could introduce a virus or disrupt the system. Otherwise it can't be done. Its bs. A concerted media hoax.

Puhlease!

www <> "the internet".
"wired" or "wireless" are totally irrelevant.

Unless the whole power grid system is linked by a totally separate, standalone network infrastructure and has no connection to any machine which is ultimately connected to a public IP address, it is vulnerable.

[RPZ]

Originally Posted by StuM

Puhlease!

www <> "the internet".
"wired" or "wireless" are totally irrelevant.

Unless the whole power grid system is linked by a totally separate, standalone network infrastructure and has no connection to any machine which is ultimately connected to a public IP address, it is vulnerable.

And just WHAT is that elusive public IP Address?

Tick, tock, tick, tock

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by StuM

Puhlease!

www "the internet".
"wired" or "wireless" are totally irrelevant.

Unless the whole power grid system is linked by a totally separate, standalone network infrastructure and has no connection to any machine which is ultimately connected to a public IP address, it is vulnerable.

It is still vulnerable.
So only computers connected to the internet can be infected?
Tell that to the Moroccan Gendarmerie who had the Satloc navigation system on all their aircraft infected with a virus. Their aircraft are not connected to anything, but files can be downloaded via a USB port, so guess what
That was likely ten years ago, I had to go over and "fix" them all.

Nothing nefarious, no spies, I'm sure one of them had been on a porn site or something at home and saved some pictures or something on a USB stick that later was shown to others on a work computer, and there you go, infected, with no internet connection

[RPZ]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

It is still vulnerable.
So only computers connected to the internet can be infected?
Tell that to the Moroccan Gendarmerie who had the Satloc navigation system on all their aircraft infected with a virus. Their aircraft are not connected to anything, but files can be downloaded via a USB port, so guess what
That was likely ten years ago, I had to go over and "fix" them all.

Nothing nefarious, no spies, I'm sure one of them had been on a porn site or something at home and saved some pictures or something on a USB stick that later was shown to others on a work computer, and there you go, infected, with no internet connection

Its a given that any system with port access can be infected. But it still means someone has to have access to a physical input.

The likelihood of a common internet virus that could bring down the power grid could be unwittingly introduced that way is a real stretch. If it was transmitted via email to a power grid worker it still has to get through what is now aggressive server and universal antivirus software, and the file downloaded onto some transferable medium, whether its a thumb stick, CD or other. Then the person has to have a reason to plug it into the grid computer hub(s) and access the control systems.

Me, I think more likely it would pass by way of someone who works in the system. And even then it would have to overcome any antiviral software, which even the most mundane small businesses usually have to guard against their systems being crashed.

[a64pilot]

I think that if you read about Stuxnet, you will find out that is exactly how it is theorized to have been introduced. I don't know about the porn part.
See it was a virus that was written for a specific target, and I believe an activation date. I think it had no effect on computers, just that particular Siemens controller. So you literally let the virus out into the public and sit back and wait, and then on the specified time and date, it worked. No inside job, no James Bond breaking in in the middle of the night, none of that. Just a program written by Nerds and let out into the public domain.

At least that is how it was explained to me, I have no ideas as to the validity of this.
Do a little reading on it, it only takes a few minutes and is interesting reading.
Do you not think that a very intelligent programmer can't fool Norton anti virus or any other?
http://www.computerworld.com/article...m-spread-.html

[Dirk Williams]

Yes, it's apart of one of my plans. I really don't think the worlds gonna blow up. But I was a boys scout , and being prepared is how I choose to live my life.

the sad truth is, if provoked I can and will pull my .50 caliber rifle out. I routinely hit man size targets at a mile, blowing a boat apart at two miles would be child's play.

Shooting very long distances with unique weapons is what we do for fun up here where I live.

Hell we all still have our own teeth. Our own hair, And drive modern cars, have flush toilets in our homes. I know hard for some of you to grasp.

Anyways I think a well prepared boat is always a good idea.

Dirk

[adoxograph]

I see you guys have all watched Battlestar Galactica. There was a reason they did not network their systems.

[RPZ]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I think that if you read about Stuxnet, you will find out that is exactly how it is theorized to have been introduced. I don't know about the porn part.
See it was a virus that was written for a specific target, and I believe an activation date. I think it had no effect on computers, just that particular Siemens controller. So you literally let the virus out into the public and sit back and wait, and then on the specified time and date, it worked. No inside job, no James Bond breaking in in the middle of the night, none of that. Just a program written by Nerds and let out into the public domain.

At least that is how it was explained to me, I have no ideas as to the validity of this.
Do a little reading on it, it only takes a few minutes and is interesting reading.
Do you not think that a very intelligent programmer can't fool Norton anti virus or any other?
Why did Stuxnet worm spread? | Computerworld

Stuxnet is an old story now, well trodden.

Those "nerds" would have to have a working knowledge of the targeted system. Sure Norton, AVG et all can be fooled. But those guys do this for a living too, and any viral program that is circulating out there, unless it can be made to "leave everyone else" alone, and "wait" for a specific target is going to get exposed and subsequently blocked. To me the only logical way is that someone with physical access introduced it directly.

[a64pilot]

I love long range shooting myself, but I have tiny guns, 22-250 and a .204 Ruger. I'd get a 338 lapua, maybe on my return. I don't have a .50, many ranges won't allow them.
I did fire a few rounds in Korea out of a Barrett, does that count?

[TrentePieds]

Right you are, Goat - it's just that I'm really, really scared of Hecate Strait ;-0)!

TrentePieds

[StuM]

Originally Posted by RPZ

And just WHAT is that elusive public IP Address?

Tick, tock, tick, tock

You really don't know anything about computer networking protocols, do you?

[StuM]

Originally Posted by RPZ

Its a given that any system with port access can be infected. But it still means someone has to have access to a physical input.

The likelihood of a common internet virus that could bring down the power grid could be unwittingly introduced that way is a real stretch. If it was transmitted via email to a power grid worker it still has to get through what is now aggressive server and universal antivirus software, and the file downloaded onto some transferable medium, whether its a thumb stick, CD or other. Then the person has to have a reason to plug it into the grid computer hub(s) and access the control systems.

Me, I think more likely it would pass by way of someone who works in the system. And even then it would have to overcome any antiviral software, which even the most mundane small businesses usually have to guard against their systems being crashed.

And you don't know a lot about viruses and anti-viral software either, do you?

[StuM]

Originally Posted by adoxograph

I see you guys have all watched Battlestar Galactica. There was a reason they did not network their systems.

Nah, Independence Day, where they managed to upload a virus to "reverse the binary codes" on a computer from an alien race.

It would have been an entirely different ending if only the aliens had installed McAfee