Cruisers Forum
 

Go Back   Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Fleet > General Sailing Forum
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login
Register Vendors FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Log in

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 11-10-2013, 04:49   #166
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

its funny. you sailboaters cannot backup.
i can handle a 130' long semi, with 3 articulations, and you cannot back up a stiff boat?

raku, you do not have a trailer. if you push the tiller, in forward or reverse, the boat will turn on the same side.
think like this:
if your turning around a channel marker, forward, and on the right side, then if you engage reverse and do not move the wheel or tiller, you will still circle the channel marker in the same direction, only backwards.
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:02   #167
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denmark (Winter), Helsinki (Summer); Cruising the Baltic Sea this year!
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 33,873
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post
its funny. you sailboaters cannot backup.
i can handle a 130' long semi, with 3 articulations, and you cannot back up a stiff boat?

raku, you do not have a trailer. if you push the tiller, in forward or reverse, the boat will turn on the same side.
think like this:
if your turning around a channel marker, forward, and on the right side, then if you engage reverse and do not move the wheel or tiller, you will still circle the channel marker in the same direction, only backwards.
That's a good explanation

Scoobert, in fairness to sailors, many, maybe most sailboats do not back up straight. Dealing with prop walk and the phenomenon of steerage way can be very complicated. Boats with long keels can be actually impossible to back up at low speeds except around in circles -- regardless of what you do with the rudder. Backing up a 130' trailer is hard to, no doubt! I wouldn't want to try it, I'll tell you that. But it's a completely different set of skills.
Dockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:03   #168
Registered User
 
Rubikoop's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: St Thomas USVI
Boat: Freedom Express 39 cat ketch
Posts: 752
Would you guys stop picking on the one person who has a boat that happens to steer differently than any boat I've ever heard of! :-)
Rubikoop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:05   #169
Registered User
 
Wraith_Mac's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia
Boat: Avon Rib, 65hp
Posts: 283
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

[QUOTE=scoobert;1361844]


Scoobert, Could you please post up a video of you reversing that rig?
Cheers,
Mac
__________________
NEW SCIENCE: You fund the research and we provide the desired facts.
NEW ECONOMICS:See Above, obfuscation extra.
Wraith_Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:06   #170
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dockhead View Post
That's a good explanation

Scoobert, in fairness to sailors, many, maybe most sailboats do not back up straight. Dealing with prop walk and the phenomenon of steerage way can be very complicated. Boats with long keels can be actually impossible to back up at low speeds except around in circles -- regardless of what you do with the rudder. Backing up a 130' trailer is hard to, no doubt! I wouldn't want to try it, I'll tell you that. But it's a completely different set of skills.

your right. i do not have a full keel.
this is my keel, but i don't know what it is called.


EDIT: i looked it up, i have a fin keel.
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:11   #171
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

[QUOTE=Wraith_Mac;1361860]
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post


Scoobert, Could you please post up a video of you reversing that rig?
Cheers,
Mac

i cannot, backing it up requires "all hands on deck"
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:18   #172
Registered User
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.
Boat: Swanson 42 & Kelly Peterson 44
Posts: 9,155
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

[QUOTE=scoobert;1361844]its funny. you sailboaters cannot backup.
i can handle a 130' long semi, with 3 articulations, and you cannot back up a stiff boat?
QUOTE]



But come on, be honest here... can you reverse a normal box trailer? I have to ask as I have a mate who is a B-Double driver here in Australia, and he asked me to reverse the caravan one day, he just can not do little trailers.
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:21   #173
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

[QUOTE=GILow;1361872]
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post
its funny. you sailboaters cannot backup.
i can handle a 130' long semi, with 3 articulations, and you cannot back up a stiff boat?
QUOTE]



But come on, be honest here... can you reverse a normal box trailer? I have to ask as I have a mate who is a B-Double driver here in Australia, and he asked me to reverse the caravan one day, he just can not do little trailers.

confession time:
i can't park the wife's impala in a parking lot.
i can parallel park it, but just not in a spot.
i always had a hard time backing up my jetski trailer too.
anything bigger then 16' and i am fine.
in fact people cannot figure out how i get my rig in my driveway.
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:28   #174
Registered User
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.
Boat: Swanson 42 & Kelly Peterson 44
Posts: 9,155
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

OK, now I know you are the real deal.

Matt
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:35   #175
Registered User
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: On the boat, somewhere in Australia.
Boat: Swanson 42 & Kelly Peterson 44
Posts: 9,155
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post
your right. i do not have a full keel.
this is my keel, but i don't know what it is called.


EDIT: i looked it up, i have a fin keel.
Hard to tell from your photo, but does it look much like this one?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	P1050683.jpg
Views:	144
Size:	218.6 KB
ID:	68466  
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:41   #176
Registered User
 
Sailmonkey's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston
Boat: ‘01 Catana 401
Posts: 9,626
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post

your right. i do not have a full keel.
this is my keel, but i don't know what it is called.

EDIT: i looked it up, i have a fin keel.
I'll back up a fin keel at speed and slide it into a slip even on a larger boat. I've got a 32' full keel. Some days you'd think I'd never pulled a boat into a slip before!
Sailmonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:43   #177
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GILow View Post
Hard to tell from your photo, but does it look much like this one?
if you look to the right of the top of the sawhorse on the left you can see light. it is a fin.
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:44   #178
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Oak Bluffs MA
Boat: Triangle 40
Posts: 23
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Sometimes the worst part of a busy anchorage isn't high winds, but no wind.
fishtrap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:48   #179
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailmonkey View Post
I'll back up a fin keel at speed and slide it into a slip even on a larger boat. I've got a 32' full keel. Some days you'd think I'd never pulled a boat into a slip before!

race boats are fun, huh?
scoobert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 05:56   #180
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampa Bay area
Boat: Hunter 31'
Posts: 5,731
Re: Does constant anchoring wear you down?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coops View Post
Oh no, not again. It will not do so. Face backwards and push the tiller to starboard and the stern of the boat will go to port.

Coops.

Yes, of course it will! Unless you actually try it and get your head out of your ... vocabulary ... you'll never get it. Not my problem. I'm sure you don't need any help backing your boat into the slip, and you're having so much fun this way. No matter how much I explain it you will deliberately misinterpret it, so I'm not going to bother.

but really, if the slip is on the south side of the fairway, and you're backing up and facing the stern, and you push the tiller to the south, the boat will turn to the south and back right up into the slip. I think using NSEW is the best way to explain this -- to an open mind, anyway. The new students on the boat with us Sunday didn't stand around puffing themselves up because they understand port and starboard. They backed the boat up, and pushed the tiller to the south, and the stern of the boat turned south and right into the slip.

That's actually what mattered to them -- not a three day snit because someone didn't use "port and starboard," but getting the boat into the slip safely.
Rakuflames is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor, anchoring


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:17.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.