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HeinSdL · 19-08-2020, 00:11

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Originally Posted by sanibel sailor

I figured that since he snagged the other boat's anchor chain that this was an anchoring arrangement

Well yes, I mentioned earlier in this thread that I'm not sure about how it is done in Greece, largely with one's own anchor possibly/probably? I only have experience of the western Med where you use lines already attached to the seabed one way or the other. I was imagining that anchor line the guy tripped was one of those line attached to the seabed and he broke something, or indeed he unset the anchor as you believe.

BUT..... if you have to use your own anchor in the situation represented in that clip why did the guy not use his anchor?? Because then all of a sudden the manoeuvre becomes quite simple. So maybe there was more going on on board prior to the start of filming which explains the chaos better. Hart attack or something.

Tillikum · 21-08-2020, 09:52

Ship handling? If I can find it I'll post a photo of this one parking in my local harbour in about 1924. She came in, made a 90 degree turn to starboard, and then came alongside the pier with no tugs, and of course no bow thrusters.

And there were thousands watching so if they'd messed it up, no one would have forgotten.

And the solo sail-only mooring video certainly demonstrates the value of a tiller over a wheel for speed of turning, not to mention seeing where you rudder is at a glance -for those who might have trouble remembering.

Palarran · 21-08-2020, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Auspicious

Also:
- significant increase in drag
- additional minor maintenance for cleaning and zincs
- major impact on storage space from the tunnel and motor and solenoids
- carbon dust from motor brushes
- RFI/EMI
- something else to break

Whoa, now that you bring up these huge - and I really mean HUGE - problems with having a bow thruster there is no way I'll ever get one. Especially compared to a water maker, gen set, diesel engine, running water, flushing toilets, etc. Way, way more complicated.

Auspicious · 04-09-2020, 08:49

Taken way too long to circle back to this message.

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Originally Posted by Dockhead

Well, overcoming strong conditions by brute force is NOT the purpose of bow thrusters. And they are certainly not an "ineffective distraction" in any conditions, for the helsman with sufficient skill in their use.

I simply disagree. I’ll repeat my point: using a thruster when they are strong enough gives up practice moving the boat without a thruster so when the conditions make the thruster ineffective the operator is also ineffective.

As for distraction, consider the Model T as an analogy. While steering, shifting, braking you have a manual control for spark advance to juggle together with a hand throttle. You run out of hands as well as brain cells. A bow thruster is one more control variable. One more delay as you shift hands or feet around.

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Originally Posted by Dockhead

Come on board my boat sometime and I'll show you some tricks which will change your mind about that.

I certainly appreciate the invitation and would be happy to do so. I’m sure we would have plenty of stories to share. I cook veg pretty well. Certainly a pretty darn good confit byaldi, good eggplant Parmesan, veg red beans and rice, lots of roast veg, and a great garlic broccoli soup. Despite my distaste I can cook on induction and might be able to get the reliability of your propane cooker up where it should be. *grin*

Not sure I completely agree that thrusters require a lot of skill to use effectively. Yes, you can use a thruster in benign conditions to rotate a boat without much propwalk (say with a MaxProp or Gori propeller) in the same small space as a fixed pitch prop. Yes you can for a reasonable distance move almost sideways, again in benign conditions, especially if you do have prop walk. I don’t have any trouble steering while moving astern on most boats (full keel with attached barn doors are trickier).

more · 13-09-2020, 16:15

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Originally Posted by argonauta1

Well folks, I have med moored many times.

Backing in to pick up mooring lines is much trickier. That is where I have run into trouble trying it with a crew of two. Never managed to put on a show like on this video though!

It is an anchor med moor situation. The skipper has the anchor dangling but he does not appear to know when and where to drop it hence his lateral darts at the presumed slip with attendant side swipes of the adjacent yachts.

I am professional skipper (52 year). every day from april to november i
solo-sail med moring(guest is usless). Only for catamaran 45-55 ft have sometime hostes. Simply skipper must use wind for dock.But dock first on shore in croswinds is a nightmare i must think and be very fast, wind Over 20 kt i dont dock in some town,marina. anchor outside,go next bay call sea taxi if guest want to pay. Record wind i dock is 80 kt (2 time some couple hour)4 hour in morning i be on weel 30 houre . Never again

goboatingnow · 04-10-2020, 17:35

Spent several years Med moored in France , lots of fenders , squeeze in , stop , pick up the slime lines , etc. Always use the other boat as a guide , just do it slowly

The key is to lie along side well fendered up and walk her back , slowly slowly , all the damage is from speed

Saw a similar situation , boat broadside , in Korcula marina , am American on a charter tried to power out , taking anchor rollers with him etc

Palarran · 04-10-2020, 18:07

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Spent several years Med moored in France , lots of fenders , squeeze in , stop , pick up the slime lines , etc. Always use the other boat as a guide , just do it slowly

The key is to lie along side well fendered up and walk her back , slowly slowly , all the damage is from speed

Saw a similar situation , boat broadside , in Korcula marina , am American on a charter tried to power out , taking anchor rollers with him etc

Wow, haven't seen you post for a long time. I might have missed them but certainly appreciate your additions.

Funny connection, the only time I've been hit substantially by another boat was in Korcula. What a poop show. Middle of the night with a strong Bora blowing and a large Lagoon charter cat tries to Med moor. Heck, we were so worried earlier that Palarran was a full 10' off the quay and we were using the tender to get ashore. He got the worst of it after bouncing off me and then hitting the concrete HARD!. Well, I got a lot of wine out of the deal so what the heck.

**Dockhead** · 06-10-2020, 09:57

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

. . . Saw a similar situation , boat broadside , in Korcula marina , am American on a charter tried to power out , taking anchor rollers with him etc

What year was that? Remember the boat name? I witnessed the same thing in the same place.

tjj.esq · 23-01-2021, 12:14

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Originally Posted by BugzyCan

The pilot abandoned the wheel at one point, watch it spinning free. lol.
I agree, it would be interesting to see what happens after.
Here is one done correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_xM0s-NkFs

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...essel:NEHAMA_5

waterman46 · 30-08-2021, 11:19

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Originally Posted by BugzyCan

The pilot abandoned the wheel at one point, watch it spinning free. lol.
I agree, it would be interesting to see what happens after.
Here is one done correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_xM0s-NkFs

That YouTube vid is impressive and a lot more fun to watch than the other. But to be fair, he has no wind or anchor to deal with ( assuming the botched attempt was a try at a med moor).

I'd guess in the other video, that a med moor bow anchor set didn't hold, the wind caught him and spun him sideways before he could get out of there. After that though, many more mistakes made. I'd like to see what happened before more than after.

goboatingnow · 30-08-2021, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Dockhead

What year was that? Remember the boat name? I witnessed the same thing in the same place.

lomg time ago, the eldest kid was about 12 , it was a few years after the war , 18 years ago or so m cant be sure exactly

goboatingnow · 30-08-2021, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Palarran

Wow, haven't seen you post for a long time. I might have missed them but certainly appreciate your additions.

Funny connection, the only time I've been hit substantially by another boat was in Korcula. What a poop show. Middle of the night with a strong Bora blowing and a large Lagoon charter cat tries to Med moor. Heck, we were so worried earlier that Palarran was a full 10' off the quay and we were using the tender to get ashore. He got the worst of it after bouncing off me and then hitting the concrete HARD!. Well, I got a lot of wine out of the deal so what the heck.

yeah back posting on CF , stayed away for a while