BREXIT

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by atoll

Thats great,so the uk gets to lose all the small scale beef and lamb farms when they can't compete with cheaper imports.

Then in turn the farms are bought up by property speculators for penny's on the pound,developed by tory speculators and their foreign backers,then resold as second homes for the wannabe landed gentry.

in the process putting tenants,impoverished owners and workers off the land that have now nowhere to live,due to the massive shortage of affordable housing in the uk,that has been engineered by wealthy (tory)speculators to keep rent's and property prices high.

perhaps this has been the plan all along

next will be bringing in 50,000 philipino "contract" nurses paid at less than the minimum wage and agricultural workers housed in labour camps

Immigrants always vote Labour..
The downfall of the working man has always been the working man.. Never look before they leap.
Thats how Maggie broke the Unions.. sold of the council houses and suddenly all the strikers found they did not qualify for state aid anymore..
End of long summer holidays..

[atoll]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Immigrants always vote Labour..
The downfall of the working man has always been the working man.. Never look before they leap.
Thats how Maggie broke the Unions.. sold of the council houses and suddenly all the strikers found they did not qualify for state aid anymore..
End of long summer holidays..

and they were the lucky ones that bought,many of those properties that were bought for 20-30K are now being sold for 300-400K or more .
this probably accounts for the recent wave of generational socialists that just turned fascist

[Yellowtulip]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

UK will be just fine out of the EU. I am fairly agnostic about Brexit myself, and Brexit certainly harms my business and my personal interests, but there are a lot of good reasons to do it. There are also good reasons to stay. Its a hard question, which should not have been solved in the way it was. But now finally there is clarity and a clear way forward. It will be OK.

This is one of the very few rational things I've read about Brexit in three years.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by atoll

and they were the lucky ones that bought,many of those properties that were bought for 20-30K are now being sold for 300-400K or more .
this probably accounts for the recent wave of generational socialists that just turned fascist

Aww.. Is Didumms upset coz he lost and has landed a Tory MP..
Can't feel sorry for you mate.. we got railroaded into the EU decades back and have watched the country go downhill ever since.. you like many conveniently forget that Labour is the NHS Privatization Party.
PS; Isn't your mom Hungarian or something, that should get you an EU Citizenship.. Best of both worlds..

[NorthernMac]

Good for England, silly to join that thing in the first place for places like England, letting others ride your coat tails no good. Hopefully this also fixes their medical system, I heard their wait times could be crazy.

[Ghostrider421]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

UK was a n empire with colonies, eventually they fight and got independent even it was better to stay with the empire for some, independency allow them own progress, look at canada, australia, india and many others. UK become a colony of the EU for some decades and now is struggling to free from the chains.

Stop whining and start celebrating.

Taxes and regulation will be home made in the future and you can decide by elections on them freely.

The unelected EU corrupted officials needed the UK. The UK did not and does not need the EU. Anyone who doesn't want to leave the EU could go to France or Ireland. Maybe Scotland if they decide to separate and stay in the EU. That will be their mistake.

The Euro is going down the tubes sometime before 21. So it behooves you to keep Sterling alive.

[Pete7]

Sadly the free National Health Service (NHS) in the UK could swallow up every £M you gave it without significant improvement. It wasn't envisaged to support the ageing population with advanced treatment available today. However, it is free and generally speed is based on medical need. It's not cheap but it is always available and a credit to the country IMHO. Why doesn't first world countries like the US have free health care?

What to do about visiting other EU countries which will probably be the majority of UK cruisers destinations? well private holiday insurance could be one option providing you are not old, infirm or have a medical condition which will equal £££. Or some form of buy in treaty to continue with the current system were all EU citizens can carry a free card entitling them to free treatment in other countries. I think every so often the bean counters tot it all up, do a bit of horse trading and pay for the costs their people have incurred in other EU countries. Weavis may know more how it works.

Ireland has a interesting system for minor injuries which involve drop in clinics 7 days a week on a pay as you go basis.

Pete

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by chuckr

The same way we Americans have. I spent 6 years in the Med and well it got interesting a few times as I counted days and you need to know who cares and who does not. As full time liveaboards I wintered over 2 years in Tunisia, 3 winters in Turkey and 1 winter in Israel. Just left Morocco and that would most definitely a possibility. Maybe the folks will have something worked out for you.

Better still lets get the message out to foreign yachts that the UK is open for biz and a great place to reset the clock on a European tour.

"Roll up, roll up, cheap moorings in a free country over here". "Dollars accepted and American spoken".

Pete

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Sadly the free National Health Service (NHS) in the UK could swallow up every £M you gave it without significant improvement. It wasn't envisaged to support the ageing population with advanced treatment available today. However, it is free and generally speed is based on medical need. It's not cheap but it is always available and a credit to the country IMHO. Why doesn't first world countries like the US have free health care?

What to do about visiting other EU countries which will probably be the majority of UK cruisers destinations? well private holiday insurance could be one option providing you are not old, infirm or have a medical condition which will equal £££. Or some form of buy in treaty to continue with the current system were all EU citizens can carry a free card entitling them to free treatment in other countries. I think every so often the bean counters tot it all up, do a bit of horse trading and pay for the costs their people have incurred in other EU countries. Weavis may know more how it works.

Ireland has a interesting system for minor injuries which involve drop in clinics 7 days a week on a pay as you go basis.

Pete

Its not that expensive Pete.. I never carry Insurance nor a Health Card (expired in 1999) I just pay as I go..
St Barths I gashed the sole of my foot and needed 15 stitches.. cost me €80 paid at the hospital and another €28 for painkillers and self med aftercare kit.
Portugal.. Three cracked ribs came to €45 all in..
Cash is king.
Anything major €100 Easyjet to Gatwick..

[atoll]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Aww.. Is Didumms upset coz he lost and has landed a Tory MP..
Can't feel sorry for you mate.. we got railroaded into the EU decades back and have watched the country go downhill ever since.. you like many conveniently forget that Labour is the NHS Privatization Party.

nope i detest all of them,whatever flavour they come in!
i just want to go back to being an expat,so i can hang out with the locals,somewhere warm on my yacht without having to be constantly on my guard if working,now illegally,and without constraints on duration of stay speaking any one of the 3 european languages that i speak in the respective countries.

the greedy 8% who own 89% of the wealth,mostly inherited in this country are making it more difficult for me to do this,so if i can in any way expose the greed and bring down the whole corrupt system,the sooner the better.

[Ghostrider421]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Why doesn't first world countries like the US have free health care?

FREE?? Nothing is free in the USofA!! Everyone that works pays into the Medicare system. Then are rewarded when they retire by paying again for Part B every month and need a supplement to pay for the 20% that isn't covered.

Big pharma won't allow it to happen. Their shareholders would revolt.

I tolerated that arkane system when taking care of my Dad. He was born in Chicago, was in USArmy for years, then got a real job for 30 years all the while paying into Medicare. But then chose to live in Iceland. He paid into the system for all those years and got screwed by the system he vowed to protect.

However why American's don't have free healthcare - the one's on SSI and SSDI or Medicaid get everything for free. Some paid into the system and most did not - loopholes in law allow this. Big boondogle - hopefully Mr Trump can sort it out.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Better still lets get the message out to foreign yachts that the UK is open for biz and a great place to reset the clock on a European tour.

"Roll up, roll up, cheap moorings in a free country over here". "Dollars accepted and American spoken".

Pete

That was true even before Brexit.


UK waters are absolutely fabulous cruising grounds, not to be missed on any European cruise. You get 6 months leave to enter when you come, every time you come, officialdom is relaxed and friendly, there is enough interesting coastline to spend a lifetime cruising and never get bored with, infrastructure and technical service is the best in Europe and moderately priced, the South Coast is fine in the winter.


Moorings aren't cheap on the S Coast in summer, however.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Better still lets get the message out to foreign yachts that the UK is open for biz and a great place to reset the clock on a European tour.

"Roll up, roll up, cheap moorings in a free country over here". "Dollars accepted and American spoken".

Pete

You can definitley come and we welcome you but don't expect cheap or free moorings,the MDL marina monopoly,and AP ports has got that nicely sewn up for their shareholders, a marina berth to rent on the south coast will cost you more than renting a 3 bedroom house,my advice fly here it will be cheaper and you will see more,plus marina berth's are scarce.

we sold all our ports to the saudi's,various momopolys refused EU funding to build more marinas as it would have broken their monopoloy,and strangle hold on berths,government quango's control mooring in all the popular areas,so you will be paying top dollar whether you use a mooring or anchor

[weavis]

er...
The NHS is not free. Look on your payslip. You pay a stamp.

The problem is mismanagement, Always has been always will be.

i speak as a medic who knows stuff!

Come over Alex and be an ex-pat with us... we will not even discuss Brexit because we will be enjoying the cheap beer and spirits too much.

My local pub in Seville, lots of tapas and beer is 80p a pint...
I rarely spent more than €10 a night and was content.

[Hartings]

Originally Posted by weavis

I take exception to being called an extremist. I also work for the British government in the medical field in Spain. Your next point?

Well you self-identified didn’t you ? Not sure who you work for has anything to do with anything ? Shipman was a GP wasn’t he ?