Covid vaccine after having covid

[Mike OReilly]

[QUOTE=Greg K;3426459]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Cruisers are used to going our ways; sailing against the wind, to force an analogy . But we also accept responsibility for our actions, and don't expect the rest of society to come bail us out if things go sideways.

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Really? Another analogy that falls apart when faced with reality. I wonder how many off shore cruisers here (other than myself currently) DO NOT carry an Epirb so that they can pull it and ask society to come and save their sorry asses?

So... You're argument is that people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions? Well, I guess that is consistent with the perspective you've promulgated here.

No EPIRB here. Never have.

[Greg K]

[QUOTE=Mike OReilly;3426464]

Originally Posted by Greg K

So... You're argument is that people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions? Well, I guess that is consistent with the perspective you've promulgated here.

No EPIRB here. Never have.

No, my point is that you make analogies that aren't grounded in reality

[Montanan]

Novavax, a small American company buoyed by lavish support from the U.S. government, announced on Monday the results of a clinical trial of its Covid-19 vaccine in the United States and Mexico, finding that its two-shot inoculation provides potent protection against the coronavirus.

In Novax's 29,960-person trial, the vaccine demonstrated an overall efficacy of 90.4 percent, on par with the vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, and higher than the one-shot vaccine from Johnson & Johnson. The Novavax vaccine showed an efficacy of 100 percent at preventing moderate or severe disease.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no...?ocid=msedgntp

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Greg K

No, my point is that you make analogies that aren't grounded in reality

The analogies are only there to assist. The main points stand on their own .

With regard to the legalities around tying employment to vaccination status, I too thought this was already litigated in the US courts. I think it's still an untested area in Canadian law, although some workplaces, especially in the healthcare arenas, do require it. And we've long barred unvaccinated children from schools during outbreaks of other diseases. So there is some legal precedent.

I do hope employers give employees an option to show proof of vaccine, or proof of previous Covid-19 infection. I've seen at least one study which suggests prior infection may be as good as the vaccine. Although I've also seen others which show natural immunity isn't as effective. The research is evolving, but I'd rather err on the side of freedom as long as the evidence remains supportive.

[CatNewBee]

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Ruecksc...e22621448.html

AstraZeneca ADZ7442 medication efficacy statistically not significant (only 30%) - a new study shows. 700.000 doses ordered by US Gov.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Ruecksc...e22621448.html

AstraZeneca ADZ7442 medication efficacy statistically not significant (only 30%) - a new study shows. 700.000 doses ordered by US Gov.

all the suffering for nothing

[Mike OReilly]

You do realize this Astrazenca news is not in reference to their Covid-19 vaccine, right?

If anything, this reinforces the value of getting vaccinated.

[Afrinus]

Originally Posted by HeinSdL

Well yes, choices have consequences. But choice, the ability to choose freely, must absolutely remain part of our way of life. And there's the catch, this is less and less the case, as the consequences of not being vaccinated look more and more like: don't leave your home. Potentially imposed by a majority on a minority as a result of a mis-classification of risk, as we now strive to remove all risks in life.

So yeah, if this is how it is going to be, I am not sure I want to be a part of the majority. Prefer to meditate at home, then be plumbed into a vaccination machine inviting me to show up for my next fix every six months or so. I will retain my right to choose and I understand there may be well be consequences. Doesn't make me an anti vaxxer and doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist.

Small request though while I sit at home, meditating: maybe those who have followed the science and got the vaccine can also follow the science on climate change and make a similar personal contribution for the greater good to turn this situation around too? Just like with covid.

Funny how many of the ones deciding not to get the vaccine are also the ones denying climate change....

[CatNewBee]

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[Greg K]

Originally Posted by Afrinus

Funny how many of the ones deciding not to get the vaccine are also the ones denying climate change....

And how the only thing the vast herd of intellectual zombies are critical of are the people who are actually still capable of critical thinking.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Greg K

And how the only thing the vast herd of intellectual zombies are critical of are the people who are actually still capable of critical thinking.

As long as the vaccines are readily available to everyone who wants one - especially minorities and the working poor -oops, "essential workers" - and developing nations who will have trouble affording them, I am quite willing to stop annoying the antivaxxers and others who don't want to be vaccinated. At that point, the risk will be mostly theirs. Already, 99% of those currently hospitalized in the first world with COVID are the unvaccinated. I'm sure all you critical thinkers will have many interesting conversations in hospital, as long as you're not intubated.

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by Greg K

And how the only thing the vast herd of intellectual zombies are critical of are the people who are actually still capable of critical thinking.

Could it be because the vast heard actually understand and follow science? Perhaps those who have been misled by baseless conspiracy theories could be the zombies, possible?

Let's everyone take note that when with no factual argument exist to back up a position, ad hominem insults begin.

Okay, got to go. The weekly zoom meeting of the cabel of satanists rurning the country is going to start in a minute. I miss the in-person meetings, they used to serve really good cake.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by sagablu

Could it be because the vast heard actually understand and follow science? Perhaps those who have been misled by baseless conspiracy theories could be the zombies, possible?

Let's everyone take note that when with no factual argument exist to back up a position, ad hominem insults begin.

Okay, got to go. The weekly zoom meeting of the cabel of satanists rurning the country is going to start in a minute. I miss the in-person meetings, they used to serve really good cake.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

As long as the vaccines are readily available to everyone who wants one - especially minorities and the working poor -oops, "essential workers" - and developing nations who will have trouble affording them, I am quite willing to stop annoying the antivaxxers and others who don't want to be vaccinated. At that point, the risk will be mostly theirs. Already, 99% of those currently hospitalized in the first world with COVID are the unvaccinated. I'm sure all you critical thinkers will have many interesting conversations in hospital, as long as you're not intubated.

Indeed, we're starting to see this correlation in areas with low vaccine uptake and higher infection rates. One could easily take a Darwinian perspective on this, but I'd rather see everyone protected.

[Montanan]

People hospitalized with COVID-19 now have one overwhelming thing in common. They're not vaccinated.

In Minnesota, the HealthPartners system has seen a “precipitous decline” in COVID-19 hospitalizations, says Dr. Mark Sannes, an infectious disease physician and senior medical director for the system, which operates nine hospitals and more than 55 clinics. But now, nearly every admitted patient he does see is unvaccinated.

“Less than 1% of our hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated," he said.

In Ohio, at University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center, only 2% of the COVID-19 patients admitted in the last month were vaccinated, said Dr. Robert Salata, the hospital's physician-in-chief.

And at Sanford Health, which runs 44 medical centers and more than 200 clinics across the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa, less than 5% of the 1,456 patients admitted with COVID-19 so far this year were fully vaccinated.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-ho...100140919.html