Solar prices are about to go up

[Scout 30]

Originally Posted by Maka

Solar energy has its place.
I have it on my boat to help charge batteries. Perfect !
Putting them on my house makes no sense, practically or economically.

The US Fed has plowed billions of tax payer dollars over the last decade, into solar.
Return on investment so far ? 0

When the technology becomes economically feasible then it will support itself.

In the mean time ....let it go.

Simple Free Market principle.

It's not a free market when American companies are competing with Chinese companies that are subsidized by their government. On top of that China's currency is controlled by the government, not the market. It's not hard to understand why American companies would want to level the field.

[james247]

Originally Posted by StuM

There fixed it for ya. ")

Two Solar Companies Got Big Subsidies From Obama. Now They Want Protective Tariffs From Trump. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

"Two bankrupt green energy companies may be given new lives, thanks to the economic protectionism in the guise of "America First." Suniva and Solarworld, like many companies in the renewable energy industry, have received millions of taxpayer dollars in the form of grants and tax incentives over the past decade. Now, both are pinning their hopes on the Trump administration's likely move to levy heavy tariffs on foreign competitors.
Suniva received more than $20 million in tax credits before going bankrupt. SolarWorld was given over $100 million before filing for insolvency this April. But the subsidies weren't enough."

My president isn't doing this. As a cruiser I won't be visiting America ie USA until you get a new president who can see beyond his p.......
And realise that there are a few climate issues in the world. Good luck

[james247]

Originally Posted by Scout 30

It's not a free market when American companies are competing with Chinese companies that are subsidized by their government. On top of that China's currency is controlled by the government, not the market. It's not hard to understand why American companies would want to level the field.

So you really believe what trump tells you. So so sad

[Scout 30]

Originally Posted by james247

So you really believe what trump tells you. So so sad

Has nothing to do with Trump. I actually don't believe a word he says. He bragged that he would stand up to China but when push came to shove he tucked his tail between his legs. The Chinese government took control of the solar panel market long before Trump. Obama trying to help American companies compete on a hugely unlevel playing field did not make him a villain, it made him a patriot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/b...ar-panels.html

[senormechanico]

Originally Posted by CarlF

Kerry1,

The price is just for the electricity not the transmission and other things utilities tack on. In Boston my electricity costs $0.23 kWh delivered.

How much can you save if you don't get it delivered?
Maybe pick it up at the point of generation?

[DeepFrz]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I wonder what their hurricane procedures are. Seems all it would take is a real bad winter to sink the whole project.

Nope. They are operating very well in the North Sea. Lots of them. Wind power has become the lowest cost source of power in Europe, cheaper even than solar.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Funny how all them homes with solar still need the grid....without it they would not have their American Dream Lifestyle of Air Conditioning running on solar.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by james247

My president isn't doing this. As a cruiser I won't be visiting America ie USA until you get a new president who can see beyond his p.......
And realise that there are a few climate issues in the world. Good luck

it was our last president not the current one and don't bring the MMGW bit into it .
Btw arctic ice is gaining rather rapidly this year.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Nope. They are operating very well in the North Sea. Lots of them. Wind power has become the lowest cost source of power in Europe, cheaper even than solar.

what you have never seen hurricane force winds and 40+ ft seas in the north Atlantic.
And I actually really asked the question out of genuine curiosity. As to their extreme storm protocols.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Funny how all them homes with solar still need the grid....without it they would not have their American Dream Lifestyle of Air Conditioning running on solar.

During the summer, we put more into the grid than we take out. But during the winter, the opposite is the norm, due to the shorter days and angle of the sun.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

During the summer, we put more into the grid than we take out. But during the winter, the opposite is the norm, due to the shorter days and angle of the sun.

ken there is also the bit about where you spend your summers that I am sure plays into it as well.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by newhaul

ken there is also the bit about where you spend your summers that I am sure plays into it as well.

My 17 office tenants don’t join me in Italy, and their electricity to run their a/c is included in their rent. We pay for all the electric year round, which is why we added the solar array 11 years ago.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

My 17 office tenants don’t join me in Italy, and their electricity to run their a/c is included in their rent. We pay for all the electric year round, which is why we added the solar array 11 years ago.

ok at the office thought you had some on the house to. Its been a year since we discussed your installs ( other than the awesome one on your boat)

[michaelratinter]

Originally Posted by Junk Viking

No worries.

Just sail south and buy solar in the free world ;-)

Ja sure, you betcha!

[DeepFrz]

Originally Posted by newhaul

what you have never seen hurricane force winds and 40+ ft seas in the north Atlantic.
And I actually really asked the question out of genuine curiosity. As to their extreme storm protocols.

Is the subject area where a wind energy field is proposed subject to 40+ ft. seas?

I believe that the North Sea has experienced hurricane force winds and the North Sea is renowned for the storms and the size of its seas. I'm pretty sure also that the people proposing the installation of wind turbines off the US east coast would have researched the dangers. I'm pretty sure they have scientists on staff or at least on contract to advise them.