Honda 2000 built in.

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Rod, no offense (I'm sure some will be taken), but you're doing your business no favors getting into arguments on here.

No offence taken, and I understand exactly what you are saying.

My participation on this forum is not to promote my business.

My participation here is to try to help those who will listen.

It is unfortunate, the badgering and childish games I have to put up with when I disagree on legitimate grounds with certain usual suspects.

I think this forum would be a vastly superior resource if more marine professionals would stand up to those belligerent few who post really bad ideas or advice about things they know so little about.

It is not likely to happen, for the very reasons you stated, but I keep trying, in the hope I can help some from making really big mistakes.

I suspect few others could afford to devote the time to it I do.

A generator aboard can be a really handy thing.

I don’t understand why anyone would object to a mention of their being applicable marine standards and the recommendation to ensure the installation was compliant.

[Franziska]

My 50cent.

We have a 2kw petrol engine which was fitted in the aft lazerette.

It has an electric starter, it's own starting battery was hooked into the charging circuit with a splitting diode.

We had two quite large explosion proof fans (one in below, one out higher above), which we always ran 3 minutes before starting the genset.

Still, by experience, the genset is air cooled and gives of so much heat even the 3 cubic meter lazarette overheated always quickly. Even with the hatch open it was really hot in there.

Since then we moved the genset into its own deck box, which doubles as cockpit table.
When we run it, we take the cover off.

Works much better for us.

For pictures you can go to www.ladyrover.com and hit the latest adventures button to the right.

Good luck!

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Franziska

My 50cent.

We have a 2kw petrol engine which was fitted in the aft lazerette.

It has an electric starter, it's own starting battery was hooked into the charging circuit with a splitting diode.

We had two quite large explosion proof fans (one in below, one out higher above), which we always ran 3 minutes before starting the genset.

Still, by experience, the genset is air cooled and gives of so much heat even the 3 cubic meter lazarette overheated always quickly. Even with the hatch open it was really hot in there.

Since then we moved the genset into its own deck box, which doubles as cockpit table.
When we run it, we take the cover off.

Works much better for us.

For pictures you can go to www.ladyrover.com and hit the latest adventures button to the right.

Good luck!

This is the way to do it.

After much experience with enclosures on RVs, I did the same on my boat.

[Q Xopa]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

No offence taken, and I understand exactly what you are saying.

My participation on this forum is not to promote my business.

My participation here is to try to help those who will listen.

It is unfortunate, the badgering and childish games I have to put up with when I disagree on legitimate grounds with certain usual suspects.

I think this forum would be a vastly superior resource if more marine professionals would stand up to those belligerent few who post really bad ideas or advice about things they know so little about.

It is not likely to happen, for the very reasons you stated, but I keep trying, in the hope I can help some from making really big mistakes.

I suspect few others could afford to devote the time to it I do.

A generator aboard can be a really handy thing.

I don’t understand why anyone would object to a mention of their being applicable marine standards and the recommendation to ensure the installation was compliant.

Im all for it.

So what exactly are you recommending?

Or NOT recommending.

Is your recommendation-

A Honda 2200, (or any small portable gas gen), no go, period?

Portable Honda, properly grounded, 'not installed' ok?

What exactly constitutes 'fixed', 'installed', or 'built in'- above deck/ in a box/ in a bolted down deck box?

I assume electrically hardwired, fuel plumbed and hard mounted constitute fixed?

Only a fixed install Diesel, installed correctly?

If you could elaborate on when, which laws/ guidelines are applicable.

Im here to learn.

[Franziska]

Here is our box.

Leaving the cover on when operating the genset is not an option due to the excess heat.

[smj]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

No offence taken, and I understand exactly what you are saying.



My participation on this forum is not to promote my business.



My participation here is to try to help those who will listen.



It is unfortunate, the badgering and childish games I have to put up with when I disagree on legitimate grounds with certain usual suspects.



I think this forum would be a vastly superior resource if more marine professionals would stand up to those belligerent few who post really bad ideas or advice about things they know so little about.



It is not likely to happen, for the very reasons you stated, but I keep trying, in the hope I can help some from making really big mistakes.



I suspect few others could afford to devote the time to it I do.



A generator aboard can be a really handy thing.



I don’t understand why anyone would object to a mention of their being applicable marine standards and the recommendation to ensure the installation was compliant.

Problem is sometimes you disagree and your grounds aren’t legitimate.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Franziska

Here is our box.

Leaving the cover on when operating the genset is not an option due to the excess heat.Attachment 205550

Nice looking little bit of camouflage

[warrior 90]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
Since you always need to get to pull cord of a honda 2000, it will never be an “installed” generator
Doesnt mean it cant be a more permanent mounted generator

[QUOTE=daletournier;3040056]
That's more what I'm getting at

That´s also what I am interested in. I hope I did not waste my time.

So the other day newhaul surprised me with the first kit for electric starter for a Honda 2000 available on the comercial market that I am aware of.
https://www.frogproductsinc.com/electric-start-kit.html

This will give the Honda 2000 a set of applications that all bigger Gens have... for example remote control.
I want this application but at a much smaller foot print as with the Honda 2000 and in particular because of it´s light weight of 47 Lbs that no other generator can offer me and I would like to integrate it as much as posible.
Unfortunately this electric starter kit from Frog Products Inc. has eliminated the hand crank.
I was pursuing the electric starter version presented on YT some 5 years ago by...... https://www.pinellaspowerproducts.com/
wich also had the hand crank but it is not commercially available.
So there is only one option and without hand crank and that has a series of consequences.

This is where I in particular want to get at.

Remote control can be activated by signals in combination with other devices as for example in the Victron battery monitor series BMV that allows automatic start up of GEN when the battery is low.
This application is in particular interesting when trying substantial weight savings on the battery size.
Of course due to the implications of wiring this will require a further integration of the Honda 2000 as we use till now .... AKA my interest in thread: Honda 2000 built in

Originally Posted by Franziska View Post
Here is our box.
Leaving the cover on when operating the genset is not an option due to the excess heat.Attachment 205550

I agree the temperature issues need to be addressed

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by Q Xopa

Im all for it.

So what exactly are you recommending?

Or NOT recommending.

Is your recommendation-

A Honda 2200, (or any small portable gas gen), no go, period?

Portable Honda, properly grounded, 'not installed' ok?

What exactly constitutes 'fixed', 'installed', or 'built in'- above deck/ in a box/ in a bolted down deck box?

I assume electrically hardwired, fuel plumbed and hard mounted constitute fixed?

Only a fixed install Diesel, installed correctly?

If you could elaborate on when, which laws/ guidelines are applicable.

Im here to learn.

Well, I thought my position was clear, but just in case...

“When performing this (or any) modification to a boat, the installer should ensure it complies with applicable marine standards.”

The “controversy” seemed to start with post #12, when another poster contributed what I believed were very prudent safety considerations, and I supported those concerns and expressed the opinion that safety should be a part of the discussion for the benefit of those following, in post # 37.

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

Well, I thought my position was clear, but just in case...

“When performing this (or any) modification to a boat, the installer should ensure it complies with applicable marine standards.”

The “controversy” seemed to start with post #12, when another poster contributed what I believed were very prudent safety considerations, and I supported those concerns and expressed the opinion that safety should be a part of the discussion for the benefit of those following, in post # 37.

What then followed was the dogmatic, incessant badgering by the usual suspects, followed by claims that I attempted to derail the thread, by answering these questions / calls as politely as I could, and in my opinion far more politely than deserved, in order that (at least my posts) would remain in compliance with forum rules.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

What then followed was the dogmatic, incessant badgering by the usual suspects,

Pot, meet kettle...

[warrior 90]

STAGE Nº 3 HONDA 2000 WITH ELECTRIC START
My design considerations can also be applied to the standard version.

Issues to be addressed

Nº1 Evacuate explosive gases out of closed generator housing

Nº2 Control of temperature to desired levels.

Nº 3 Routing of exhaust gases to desired location

Nº 4 Fuel Supply

Nº 5 Island Design ( has it´s own independent systems for full functionality )

Nº 6 Minimum controls required

Nº 7 Conformance with Standards of Portability

Nº 8 Safety

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by warrior 90

STAGE Nº 3 HONDA 2000 WITH ELECTRIC START
My design considerations can also be applied to the standard version.

Issues to be addressed

Nº1 Evacuate explosive gases out of closed generator housing

Nº2 Control of temperature to desired levels.

Nº 3 Routing of exhaust gases to desired location

Nº 4 Fuel Supply

Nº 5 Island Design ( has it´s own independent systems for full functionality )

Nº 6 Minimum controls required

Nº 7 Conformance with Standards of Portability

Nº 8 Safety

#2 and #3 are the most difficult

[jhulmer]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

I understood that this thread was going to be about the various mounting, box, and enclosure options that may or may not be available for the Hondas.

Instead because of some members it has turned into a multi page rant over various rules and regulations.

So many threads end up like this. Some members just can't help hijacking threads and leading them off topic.

It seems that they have nothing better to do unfortunately.

So there were a couple of pages discussing various boxes, and 6 or more pages after that ranting about regulations.

The OP even stated clearly that he wasn't interested in that part of the discussion (there are plenty of other threads about this) - after which his wishes were just totally ignored.

I even requoted these wishes - totally ignored.

End result - thread totally derailed.

I must admit that it does all get a bit tiresome sometimes...

AGREED!
I am really interested in the topic... but alas very tiring filtering out all the crap!

Forum curiosity please!

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Chotu

#2 and #3 are the most difficult

#2is not difficult to achieve just requires a small ( 1 amp or less) portion of the power produced to run a cooling fan blowing into the enclosure and out vents on the opposite side . Size to be determined by thermal loading. ( fan introducing air not exhausting it can will last a lot longer.)
#3 difficulty level is directly related to where on deck the unit is placed when running .