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Old 17-05-2021, 23:55   #1
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14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

I need to get a wire which is either 14 or 16 AWG into a Yellow female spade that only comes in yellow (so its 12-10AWG).

Is there a "proper" way to setup this connection?

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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

The colour coding on spade connectors (any electrical connector) defines the size. The colour of wires defines the usage not the size.


Use the correct size connector for the wire and use wire colour matching (yellow) shrink wrap on the connection.
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The colour coding on spade connectors (any electrical connector) defines the size. The colour of wires defines the usage not the size.


Use the correct size connector for the wire and use wire colour matching (yellow) shrink wrap on the connection.
Ok - sorry the title of this post was misleading - I wrote blue to indicate the color of the terminal that would be correct for this wire - it doesnt refer to the color of the wire.
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

Buy a blue spade?

Or stripe 2x length and fold the wire in half.
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Buy a blue spade?

Or stripe 2x length and fold the wire in half.
I have not been able to find a female blue spade to fit those wide 9mm terminals. (Note the one in the link is 9.5mm)
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

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I have not been able to find a female blue spade to fit those wide 9mm terminals. (Note the one in the link is 9.5mm)
Then take smac's second piece of advice, i.e.stick two bits of the 14/16 awg wire into the yellow terminal and crimp away. Maybe not 100% kosher but about 99% as good.

The terminal doesn't know you are using two bits of thinner wire instead one piece of thicker wire.
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I have not been able to find a female blue spade to fit those wide 9mm terminals. (Note the one in the link is 9.5mm)

Do as was suggested and fold back the wire, or use uncollared (without a plastic collar) and heat shrink the joint.
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

Thanks all.
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

Gotta ask...

What is the 9.5 (3/8") male spade connector on? What circuit is being connected? Sure the wire has the ampacity?
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Gotta ask...

What is the 9.5 (3/8") male spade connector on? What circuit is being connected? Sure the wire has the ampacity?
Why do you (OP) have this problem to begin with as well?

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Gotta ask...

What is the 9.5 (3/8") male spade connector on? What circuit is being connected? Sure the wire has the ampacity?
One end of the wire is this ignition switch:

https://www.hella.co.nz/en/products/...e-heating.html - you cant see in the picture but the Ignition 12v input actually has two 9.5mm wide terminals for input and I am using the second one as a 12v feed to go to the stop button

The stop button https://www.burnsco.co.nz/switch-pus...over-20a-10208 has quite small terminals - and maybe will only take a wire up to 16 AWG.

So at one end I need to use 10-12AWG (the ignition) and the other end I need to use about 16 AWG.

The circuit is for the stop solenoid on a Perkins 4108 - so max 12A for 30seconds. I calculate 16AWG but I need to use a 10-12 wire on the 9.5mm spade.
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

I've doubled, or on occasion quadrupled (double fold the double fold) to make the wire end big enough to work with the connector. It works but ?????....adding heat shrink over it will certainly help stabilize the connection. another solution is to get out your dremel tool with the cut-off wheel in it, and trim the spade down to a size that will fit the proper connector for your wire....I've also used a wire cutter to cut back/trip the spade a little, so a smaller connector will fit. Lots of ways to make it work!
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

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I need to get a wire which is either 14 or 16 AWG into a Yellow female spade that only comes in yellow (so its 12-10AWG).
Just strip it longer than usual and fold the end in half, and jam the folded end into the terminal. Use stranded wire. Use pliers to flatten the folded end small enough to fit.


You can also drill the oversized spade connector on the ignition switch to accept a screw and nut, and then use a ring terminal of the proper size.


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14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

I see three choices.

Add bulk to the wire by some means (folding, additional strands, etc) as mentioned.

Use a step down butt splice https://www.ancorproducts.com/en/230165

Get a different stop button. One that has a terminal that can handle 12 gauge.

Iíd go for the button change myself.I canít see the terminals on the button properly but they look like a screw bearing directly on the conductors. Not a fan of that.
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Re: 14-16AWG wire (Blue) into Yellow terminal?

As others have suggested, fold it over and crimp it.

If you're worried about the crimp strength another option is to solder it in place. Remove the plastic insulation. Slide on some heat shrink. Fold over the small wire. Impregnate it with solder. Crimp it in the terminal. Add more solder and heat the connector. Clean up flux / wayward drips. Slide the heat shrink over the terminal and shrink.
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