560: Performance of Lagoon 560 For Ocean Passage

[GoingWalkabout]

I'm trying to decide on what Lagoon boat to buy and I do love the L560 for a lot of reasons. On this forum I read how someone found the performance od the 52 against the 450 didn't match up with the 450 outperforming the larger boat. so I am concerned as to the performance of the 560 in comparison to the 450. I will be doing Atlantic and later Pacific passage so having a larger boat will make me feel more comfortable in the big waves. If anyone can advise of the average speed of the L560 in say 25 Knott's it would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

[robert sailor]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

I'm trying to decide on what Lagoon boat to buy and I do love the L560 for a lot of reasons. On this forum I read how someone found the performance od the 52 against the 450 didn't match up with the 450 outperforming the larger boat. so I am concerned as to the performance of the 560 in comparison to the 450. I will be doing Atlantic and later Pacific passage so having a larger boat will make me feel more comfortable in the big waves. If anyone can advise of the average speed of the L560 in say 25 Knott's it would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

A better choice would be average winds in the 15 knot range and below because that's what you will get 75% of the time.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by robert sailor

A better choice would be average winds in the 15 knot range and below because that's what you will get 75% of the time.

Ok. What would then be the relative performance between a L 450 and L560 in 15 knot winds.

Thanks

[GGT]

This is just a guess I have never sailed the 56. The 450 should be faster, its half the weight and the 56 doesn't carry double the sail area. Based on the stats the 56 should sail better than the 52. Of course there are many other factors, but my money is on the 450 with equal crews.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by GGT

This is just a guess I have never sailed the 56. The 450 should be faster, its half the weight and the 56 doesn't carry double the sail area. Based on the stats the 56 should sail better than the 52. Of course there are many other factors, but my money is on the 450 with equal crews.

Thanks GGT. I wonder if you could beef up the sail area/performance of the 56? As everything in life there are trade offs. I love the size and am very partial to the owner version layout of 56. I think that the larger boat should handle rough seas better as well. But I have read that the 450 does sit well between waves. And as you said the 450 is half the weight. But I do love the larger layout and I really do like the stern entrance as well as the lounge entrance for the owners version of the 560. Sometimes it is silly things that are just purely logical that tip the buying decision. I shouldn't be even admitting to that and as I right this it does sound silly but layout is what is pushing me for the 560.

If the 560 does perform better in rough seas even though it is slower than the 450 then this will seal it for me. I would then look at ways I could beef up the sales on the 560 to compensate for its higher weight.

Again thanks for your reply.

[GGT]

See the sail area details on both 450 and the 560 from the Lagoon website below. None of the numbers on the 560 are double to compensate for being twice the weight. There are some optional sails listed so not sure if you can get a bigger cut to get the double sail area without changing the mast or boom size.

These boats are more about destination livability. I consider myself a die hard sailor, and I enjoyed sailing the 450. The 560 has a better weight to sail area ratio than the 52, so should be a bit faster, but both will be behind a 450.

After tons of reading I am leaning to the 440 or 450. Its just me and my wife so both are plenty big for our needs. Anything bigger would be a lot more to take care of and additional costs for haul outs etc....


450 Sail area:

Upwind sail area = 134 m² / 1442 sq.ft.
Spinnaker (optional) = non
Code 0 (optional) = 93 m² / 1001 sq.ft.

560 Sail area:

Upwind sail area = 207 m² / 2227 sq.ft.
Spinnaker (optional) = 220 m² / 2367 sq.ft
Code 0 (optional) = 148 m² / 1592 sq.ft

[dirkdig]

We have a 440 and love it,some things on the 450 were a mistake, eg the internal stairs to the flybridge,why have big openings in the rear cockpit roof?


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[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by GGT

See the sail area details on both 450 and the 560 from the Lagoon website below. None of the numbers on the 560 are double to compensate for being twice the weight. There are some optional sails listed so not sure if you can get a bigger cut to get the double sail area without changing the mast or boom size.

These boats are more about destination livability. I consider myself a die hard sailor, and I enjoyed sailing the 450. The 560 has a better weight to sail area ratio than the 52, so should be a bit faster, but both will be behind a 450.

After tons of reading I am leaning to the 440 or 450. Its just me and my wife so both are plenty big for our needs. Anything bigger would be a lot more to take care of and additional costs for haul outs etc....


450 Sail area:

Upwind sail area = 134 m² / 1442 sq.ft.
Spinnaker (optional) = non
Code 0 (optional) = 93 m² / 1001 sq.ft.

560 Sail area:

Upwind sail area = 207 m² / 2227 sq.ft.
Spinnaker (optional) = 220 m² / 2367 sq.ft
Code 0 (optional) = 148 m² / 1592 sq.ft

i think comparing like that is probably not fair.

L400 standard screecher is 73m2
Standard sails 84 m2

L400 weighjt 10.3 T
L450 weight 15.5 T

L 45 should have 50% more sails . Comparing standard sail

134m2 over 84m2 is 70% more, therefore standard sails only L450 will do better.

However L4000 screecher is 73m2 and L450 93m2 which is only 27% more.

Comparing upwind sail area standard sail + screecher will paint different picture
L400 157m2 vs L450 227m2 , which is 44 % more, therefore likely L400 will be good match.

L56 has other advantages like sleeker profile = less windage and longer slimmer hulls, so it does not need that much sail.


my 2 schillings

[GoingWalkabout]

Thanks guys. Very helpful in settling my mind on the 560. Need to look at increasing sail area if possible. Also having a good Genoa should help on the 560. I don't think increasing the boom is an option. At the end of the day as long as it's not a dog I can trade off a little less performance for the added benefit that come with a larger size including better handling in rough seas. Again thanks all for your contributions.

[Steadman Uhlich]

I am not an owner of one of these, so take my comments with a splash of saltwater.

But, I look at these and consider the pluses and minuses. I am an admirer.

The 560 looks like a wonderful boat for long distance cruising and live aboard too. I wish I could go for a long cruise (or circ) on one!

I like the flybridge area and see that as a great addition for this type of boat.

Speed?
I don't think speed is the reason to get one of these. Comfort and space and ability to have a "home on the water" is what I see. This size has some very nice staterooms.

Regarding LOA and the waves or heavy seas?
Being on a 40 or 50 foot boat in big waves (above 15 feet) and high winds will make any boat seem small on the ocean.

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[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by Steady Hand

I am not an owner of one of these, so take my comments with a splash of saltwater.

But, I look at these and consider the pluses and minuses. I am an admirer.

The 560 looks like a wonderful boat for long distance cruising and live aboard too. I wish I could go for a long cruise (or circ) on one!

When I steal (I mean buy at a steal) my 560 I'll let you know when and where we will be sailing. Happy to have new friends who love sailing. After all it is a big boat.

[obelix67]

Hi Going Walkabout,

Did you decide on a 560 ?

there is a blog Sailing Amara, they went round the world (well the husband did)

I have been looking

We went to Bordeaux for a visit to the factory, nice day out, although my wife preferred the visit to her favourite vinyard

Obe