HAM, Marine SSB, Other?

[casique8]

Hello
I have a conflix question, Ham radios need a ground station licence to operate, how they get by changing it to a ship, when they required a ground station address to operate?, while SSB Marine Licence is to the Boat hull to operate on water with a operators permit from the FCC. Are U braking the rules here with a call sign, given for land?

[btrayfors]

Originally Posted by casique8

Hello
I have a conflix question, Ham radios need a ground station licence to operate, how they get by changing it to a ship, when they required a ground station address to operate?, while SSB Marine Licence is to the Boat hull to operate on water with a operators permit from the FCC. Are U braking the rules here with a call sign, given for land?

A ham radio license gives you the right to set up and operate a ham radio station on land, on sea, or in the air. Only restriction on the sea or in an airplane is that you have the permission of the captain.

Thus the ham radio permit is both a personal license to operate on the ham bands (as authorized by your class of license) and it's also a station license, allowing you to operate any radio on the same ham bands.

When you're in a foreign country -- or its territorial waters -- you usually need some kind of reciprocal license issued by that country.

These authorities are granted under international agreements (the ITU) and the host country actually issuing the license.

Part of the reasoning for this very liberal authority is the belief that since you have studied and taken an exam to obtain the ham license you know enough about radios to be able to operate them properly, without causing harmful interference to other radio services.

Bill
WA6CCA

[casique8]

Yes Sir, 30 year HAM licence with a Call Sign to a ground address station to operate, but not a SSB Marine radio installed to a ship that req. a different legal permit to operate from the FCC, Sir u should know this.

[casique8]

And if u are the Cpt. can U give permition to ur self?

[hellosailor]

"Ham radios need a ground station licence to operate,"
The FCC does not issue a "ground station" license for amateur radio operators. Whatever you got thirty years ago, I doubt it says "Ground Station" on it. Wanna try again, and tell us what license you are talking about? Besides your operator's license?
And why you think the licenses that were issued 30 years ago have any bearing on what or how the FCC issues license today?

[btrayfors]

casique8,

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Let's try again.

The issue date is immaterial, for any license. It's the expiry date which is important.

- U.S. Amateur licenses are good for ten years. They give you permission to operate an amateur radio station anywhere in the world, as stated above, providing that you have the local government's approval or -- if on a ship or aircraft -- the captain's approval. Yes, if you're the captain you can give yourself approval.

- marine licensing is very different. To operate a marine radio on the allocated marine bands you need three things:

1. at minimum, a Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit....good for life;

2. a station license for the boat....good for 10 years; and

3. a type-approved marine radio transceiver.

Ham radios are NOT legal to use on the marine bands. Marine radios, by contrast, may be used on the ham bands IF you have a ham license.

Bill
WA6CCA

[fairbank56]

You are wasting your time, this has all been explained to him before

[fairbank56]

Originally Posted by btrayfors

Marine radios, by contrast, may be used on the ham bands IF you have a ham license.

Bill
WA6CCA

While this is common practice (and I have nothing against doing so), technically, it is against the rules.

Part 80 Stations in the maritime services

80.89 Unauthorized transmissions

Stations must not:

(f) Transmit on frequencies or frequency bands not authorized on the
current station license.

Ham frequencies are not listed in Subpart H--Frequencies

AND part 97 Amateur radio service

97.11 Stations aboard ships or aircraft

(b) The station must be separate from and independent of all other
radio apparatus installed on the ship or aircraft

Eric

[hellosailor]

"Stations must not:"
Move radio to the other side of the boat. Plug in new mic, power cord, antenna. OK, does that make it part of the other/different station now?

Sometimes you have to wonder...was it Westinghouse or GE who got legislation like that passed?

In one of the less famous Bogart films, he's on a tramp freighter someplace and there's a ham license on the wall in the radio room! Can't remember which movie, offhand.

[btrayfors]

Eric,

Technically, that's correct for marine radios installed in ships.

However, I didn't say that. What I said was that it's OK to use a marine radio on the ham bands.

In fact, it's OK to use ANY radio on the ham bands, including those which are home-built. That's the whole idea.

FWIW, I use a marine radio every single day of the year on the ham bands: a Kenwood TKM-707 installed at my home. And that's perfectly legal.

Bill
WA6CCA

[Viking Sailor]

Originally Posted by fairbank56

While this is common practice (and I have nothing against doing so), technically, it is against the rules.

Part 80 Stations in the maritime services

80.89 Unauthorized transmissions

Stations must not:

(f) Transmit on frequencies or frequency bands not authorized on the
current station license.

Ham frequencies are not listed in Subpart H--Frequencies

AND part 97 Amateur radio service

97.11 Stations aboard ships or aircraft

(b) The station must be separate from and independent of all other
radio apparatus installed on the ship or aircraft

Eric

This only applies to vessels and aircraft that are required to carry type accepted radios under the rules. The vessels typically operated by member of this forum are not required to carry any kind of radio. Thus, it is legal to use a marine type accepted radio on both the ham and marine bands.

[fairbank56]

Originally Posted by Viking Sailor

This only applies to vessels and aircraft that are required to carry type accepted radios under the rules. The vessels typically operated by member of this forum are not required to carry any kind of radio. Thus, it is legal to use a marine type accepted radio on both the ham and marine bands.

Wrong, wrong wrong! Part 80 rules apply to ALL part 80 certified radio's regardless if you are required to have them or not.

I use a marine radio every single day of the year on the ham bands: a Kenwood TKM-707 installed at my home. And that's perfectly legal

I use one myself from my shop but technically, it is against the rules. Any part 80 certified marine HF-SSB transceiver installed and operating is a marine station and is required to operate under a marine station license and under part 80 rules regardless if it is on a vessel or land.

If you were to get caught and asked for your coast station license, telling them you only use it on the ham bands isn't going to cut it.

I'm not trying to be the FCC police, I don't care, I do it too. It's no big deal and nothing to worry about. I'm just saying that it is in fact, against the rules.

Eric

[casique8]

Bill read what bill said

[casique8]

I ment Eric

[goboatingnow]

If your ships radio station requires type approved marine Rf gear ( which I beleive all do! You are breaking such type approval by modifying your radio to transmit on ham bands, you are not breaking any ham rules but you are breaking marine radio rules.

Dave