What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

Here's a pic of my next crew.

Hey, I thought that you were one of those who say that silicone should not be on a yacht, ever!

Jim

[dwedeking2]

I assisted in a delivery last year with minimal experience. I asked questions etc etc. But still I was set to walk away the first day if I showed up and things were not as advertised. I knew what travel would cost and knew that this was a risk. I don't understand how a rational person could not put a risk/reward analysis on this situation and know that the cost of travel was something at risk. Set aside the impossibility of dealing with this in a court, there's just too much chance of this going sidewise to not take into account the lost money of travel in your analysis.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

Do you currently have any medical conditions that would preclude you from being a crewmember on a boat?

No?

Do you currently have your wisdom teeth?

Yes?

Do you feel it matters on a cruise on a boat?

No?

If you do still have your wisdom teeth, that alone will disqualify you from being a crewmember on a submarine. All of us had to have our wisdom teeth pulled before sub school, no exceptions, even though I was older and all of mine were in nice and straight with no dental issues.

Do you feel that having your wisdom teeth is a "health issue?" The US Navy does.


The correct time to ask you about any and all medical conditions is before you spend your own money travelling to meet the rest of the crew.

It appears to me that Fred felt his "issue" was not going to affect his ability to crew, the capt. obviously felt otherwise. What should have been done was a complete interview before Fred flew out.

Just like the example above, how are you to know what unusual requirements you need for sub service? I feel the same was true for Fred, how was he to know what would exclude him from the crew? He couldn't until the capt. got down to specifics, which should have been done before Fred spent any money travelling.

I'm just putting myself in Fred's shoes. He's had whatever this "issue" is for 36 yrs and it's never affected his ability to sail before, so maybe the capt. was being overly cautious about who is on his crew, which I don't fault him for at all. It's just that his lack of attention to detail cost Fred a lot of money and time and I don't think any of us would have appreciated that happening to any of us.

No...the correct time to tell the skipper anything that might be an issue about any and all medical conditions is before you spend your own money traveling to meet the rest of the crew.
And whats with the Navy BS?... does that "win" you an argument?

"It appears to me that Fred felt his "issue" was not going to affect his ability to crew, the capt. obviously felt otherwise. What should have been done was a complete interview before Fred flew out".

Well obviously Fred was wrong to feel that way. The skipper refused voyage on an after-disclosure.
I agree that the skipper may have over reacted but we really don't know the details on either side for sure. For all we know, the skipper may have had a nightmare crew before.

[socaldmax]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Hey, I thought that you were one of those who say that silicone should not be on a yacht, ever!

Jim

Oh no Jim, I've never said that! Must have been someone else!

[socaldmax]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

No...the correct time to tell the skipper anything that might be an issue about any and all medical conditions is before you spend your own money traveling to meet the rest of the crew.
And whats with the Navy BS?... does that "win" you an argument?

"It appears to me that Fred felt his "issue" was not going to affect his ability to crew, the capt. obviously felt otherwise. What should have been done was a complete interview before Fred flew out".

Well obviously Fred was wrong to feel that way. The skipper refused voyage on an after-disclosure.
I agree that the skipper may have over reacted but we really don't know the details on either side for sure. For all we know, the skipper may have had a nightmare crew before.

I thought I was very clear - the fact that any person still has their wisdom teeth is considered a medical issue by the Navy for sub duty.

So if you sat down with a recruiter and he asked you if you had ANY medical issues (and you still had your wisdom teeth) you would obviously answer, "No." There is no way for you to know that wisdom teeth are an "issue" unless you were specifically told it was.

Perhaps the same thing happened to Fred. What none of us would consider to be a medical issue, was to the Captain, but nobody would have known that until the Capt. said something - preferably before the crewmember flew out.

It doesn't really matter, we're all just speculating since we don't know what made the capt. change his mind.

Looking at it from a safety standpoint, I think he did Fred a huge favor. Anyone who owns a boat and can't scrape up more than $260 is probably chronically broke and has probably deferred important maintenance tasks due to lack of funds, or expects the crewmembers to pay for repairs or unexpected costs.

Things break all of the time, if the skipper can't afford to keep up with repairs or maintenance, that should be a deal breaker. People mention the skipper's responsibility to keep the crew safe, and properly maintaining the vessel is the foundation of keeping everyone safe.

[surfprimal]

I guess if you're going to disclose 'it' before you cast off, you should discuss 'it' before you get on a plane.

[brianlara 3]

Hyenas.

[brianlara 3]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

BBT...Bare Back Transvestites? Way outta bounds buddy

Who, ME ??

OH NO ! ! !

SACRE BLEU ...

GODT HIMMEL...

BLOODY HELL...

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

It looks more like a screw job to me.

He asked questions, got honest answers, had Fred spend his own money to fly out, then asked MORE questions, THEN decided to exclude Fred from the crew.

How would you feel if he had done it to you?

So I take his to mean that you don't have an all inclusive list of medical conditions.

I would feel upset with myself for not sharing the condition up front and then leaving the captain short handed.

[brianlara 3]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

I thought I was very careful not to say the OP has mental issues. If that's is how someone took it I apologize, the intent was a hypothetical situation. The problem is the Captain has no way of knowing if some guy he met on the internet is a total nut job.

Response to PS: Yes, I'm aware of all of those. Just didn't want to imply the guys posting here are older than dirt. But seriously, I thanks for reminding me about Faulty Towers. I haven't seen it in forever and I think I'll put it on my watch list.

By omission VAL, you admitted to NOT being a SEINFELD addict.

Shame upon you.

[brianlara 3]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

I thought I was very careful not to say the OP has mental issues. If that's is how someone took it I apologize, the intent was a hypothetical situation. The problem is the Captain has no way of knowing if some guy he met on the internet is a total nut job.

Response to PS: Yes, I'm aware of all of those. Just didn't want to imply the guys posting here are older than dirt. But seriously, I thanks for reminding me about Faulty Towers. I haven't seen it in forever and I think I'll put it on my watch list.

By omission VAL, you admitted to NOT being a SEINFELD addict.

Shame upon you.

Seriously sorry about thread drift.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

I would tell him everything that I think would have any bearing on my ability to serve as an able bodied crew member.

I usually get up in the middle of the night to go take a leak.

Is that a medical condition? Is that something that the captain feels is something that should exclude me?

I don't know, and nobody does until he asks. Fred didn't hide anything he felt was of consequence, but at the risk of repeating myself ad nauseum, if he's going to have specific things that will exclude someone from his crew, then he needs to ask those before they fly out.

!

Fred is free not to share about his condition up front but then the Captain is free to cancel his berth when he shows up at the dock having not shared.

Of course if we are going to get all legalistic the solution for the Captain is to send a request for the crew to report any and all medical conditions relevant or not to their ability to crew. Anything gets omitted and you get kicked off at the next port for lying on your application and while you are at it you must post a bond equal to 3 times the cost of last minute ticket home and the Captain gets to keep any unused money.

Of course since this is non-paid position, most people are going to laugh at you before they tell you about childhood illness.

Of course, this was such a central part of the OP's life that he admits to getting PhD in the subject. It's not an old scar from childhood chickenpox.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

Looking at it from a safety standpoint, I think he did Fred a huge favor. Anyone who owns a boat and can't scrape up more than $260 is probably chronically broke and has probably deferred important maintenance tasks due to lack of funds, or expects the crewmembers to pay for repairs or unexpected costs.

Things break all of the time, if the skipper can't afford to keep up with repairs or maintenance, that should be a deal breaker. People mention the skipper's responsibility to keep the crew safe, and properly maintaining the vessel is the foundation of keeping everyone safe.

My understanding is he's a freelance delivery skipper... we are usually chronically broke and the boats we sail are often poorly maintained.. that's why we get the jobs..
Also why we need 100% fit trustworthy crew..

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Why dya think folk say it takes at least 3 days to settle at sea before it gets enjoyable..
That's when the Detox has kicked in...
What happens ashore stays ashore...

That sir... Is why careful crew selection is mandatory!

Originally Posted by monte

Hahah ^^^

We haven't used Skype before but wouldn't be adverse to it either. A friend of mine likes to interview potential crew using Skype. His words when describing his interviewing technique ' I ask the girls to stand up and turn around, so we are both clear on what is expected...'

Of course wearing clothing appropriate for the expected conditions ...

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I am sooooooo grateful I don't get seasick.

NO KIDDING!!!!

Originally Posted by monte

You might like to add 'are you a compulsive whistler?' to the list of questions..

OMG YES!

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Hey, I thought that you were one of those who say that silicone should not be on a yacht, ever!

Jim

HA!!!!!!!
Plus the one far to starboard looks like a potential attitude problem...

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by socaldmax

I thought I was very clear - the fact that any person still has their wisdom teeth is considered a medical issue by the Navy for sub duty.

So if you sat down with a recruiter and he asked you if you had ANY medical issues (and you still had your wisdom teeth) you would obviously answer, "No." There is no way for you to know that wisdom teeth are an "issue" unless you were specifically told it was.

Perhaps the same thing happened to Fred. What none of us would consider to be a medical issue, was to the Captain, but nobody would have known that until the Capt. said something - preferably before the crewmember flew out.

It doesn't really matter, we're all just speculating since we don't know what made the capt. change his mind.

Looking at it from a safety standpoint, I think he did Fred a huge favor. Anyone who owns a boat and can't scrape up more than $260 is probably chronically broke and has probably deferred important maintenance tasks due to lack of funds, or expects the crewmembers to pay for repairs or unexpected costs.

Things break all of the time, if the skipper can't afford to keep up with repairs or maintenance, that should be a deal breaker. People mention the skipper's responsibility to keep the crew safe, and properly maintaining the vessel is the foundation of keeping everyone safe.

...and I thought I was clear..."And whats with the Navy BS?... does that "win" you an argument"?