Anyone not in lockdown and still able to sail?

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

I don't know about Denmark, but there are laws against eviction during this period in the U.S.

ditto in Oz...

good luck !

cheers,

[RaymondR]

Unfortunately many of the responses appear to be panic driven which does not tend to engender confidence in the public, which in western countries are generally fairly well educated in health and hygiene matters.

Headline in The Australian this morning:

"Push now to let virus infect all".

The article goes on to state:

"A long-term strategy to ease social-isolation restrictions and expose Australians to COVID-19 in manageable doses, without overwhelming the public health system is being considered by health officials and some NSW government ministers".

It appears the question now is, can we hide from it forever?

[Mr B]

Victoria, Australia,
$5000-00 fine if your out on the water, Even fishing off the beach carries the fine,
You can go to your boat if your not in touch with any one else,
But you cant use the boat,
$1500-00 fine if your driving your car with out an excuse, Shopping, Essential services, And two others I cant remember,
But they want us isolated in our homes,

[Mr B]

Strangely enough, Bunnings, Woolworths, Coles, IGA are all full of people shopping,
1.5 Metre separating the customers,
The check outs have screens installed now, Remakable how quick they got designed, Manufactured and installed, ???????
But none of the check out people have had any one get sick from the virus, ??????

[Scotty Kiwi]

A few weeks ago I had my doubts about this, but have absolutely complied with NZ's toughest of tough policies, implemented early.

If anyone has remaining doubts or even doubts about being thorough, then watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlbCmRJMW4

Having watched that youtube, one of several problems with going sailing, even if you've never needed help before, is that it encourages others who may not be competent to do so. Same with any activity. If you feel its too hard to stay home, then the youtube explains the worst case alternative for you. But for 2 people out of 100 (or so), intensive care is the best case (death is the alternative).

[SeanPatrick]

Here in Virginia, U.S.A. the Governor has issued a "stay at home order". However, local authorities seem to be doing little to nothing to enforce it.


I have been issued a letter of exemption from my company, stating that I am an "essential worker", and therefore exempt from any restrictions on any sort of travel (at any time) in the course of my work. But, I have yet to be in need of said letter.


Nor do I know of anyone who has had to answer for their reason for being out (on the water or otherwise).

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

There was some confusion here in Queensland but we can still go boating. Can't see how going from the yacht to home is going to harm anyone as long as you do not stop and socialise with anyone.

Cheers

It’s the travel by car that’s the problem - potential for road accident and breaking isolation with first responders and diverting medical resources. Same reason why no boating or surfing or mountain biking.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by ArmyDaveNY

Sweden, along with Norway are definitely on my bucket list!

And ours, I want to do the canal through the heart of Sweden which I think is a mast up route.

Originally Posted by SeanPatrick

Here in Virginia, U.S.A. the Governor has issued a "stay at home order". However, local authorities seem to be doing little to nothing to enforce it.

Local council has cordoned off the sea front car parks here to stop people driving to the beaches, so its locals only who can walk there. Quite right too, don't want any of those 'orrible city people coming here. I could easily become a NIMBY (not in my back yard)

Police are patrolling and breaking up groups of yoofs who seem to think they are invincible, as we all did at that age. Policing seems to be a sharp warning and if you obey and go home that's the end of it.

Pete

[Piscis]

Originally Posted by atoll

if you assume that the rescue services are also locked down in isolation your call for help will result in them having to assemble together to come and rescue your silly ass, who should have stayed safely at home.

Mmhhh... Isn't "recreational boating" (as most recreational activities) not always some silly asses going out doing unnecessary things while rescue services could always be better off on saving someone's life that was in danger while doing any "non recreational activities"?

I agree with the Point that once freedom is taken away, it might be hard to get it back to the same state it was before.

What comes next?

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Pete7

And ours, I want to do the canal through the heart of Sweden which I think is a mast up route.. . .

It is mast up. There's enough to do in these waters to last 3 lifetimes. You should have a look at the Baltic Section of the Cruising Association, which I think you're a member of -- lot of great resources.

The situation in Nordic countries is looking fairly decent. As of yesterday we have warm (more than +10C) and dry weather under a massive high pressure dome at 1028mb. Hope this will slow down the virus even more.

Sweden, which has no formal shutdown, is faring the worst among the Nordics, but even here the situation is far better than most of the rest of the world, and is showing good dynamics:



This should be interesting to whoever it was in this thread who predicted that Sweden would lock down by now. Incidentally -- the fact that there is no legal lockdown or stay at home order does not indeed mean that people's behavior is the same as in non-epidemic times. On the contrary -- the Swedish policy depends on people following recommendations and taking their own measures, rather than being forced to do so by the state. And people are doing that, being sensible and careful while not disrupting their economic lives beyond what is really required. This would not work in many societies, but Nordic countries have an unusually high degree of social trust and civic discipline -- this crisis is showing the great strengths of these societies.

The rate of new cases in Sweden has doubled in 10 days, about the same rate as in Finland and Denmark, and the rate of new cases is falling sharply. The death rate has also fallen sharply. Let's hope the warm dry sunny weather will accelerate these positive trends.

Denmark starts to relax its (rather mild) restrictions next week, reopens schools, and will open borders in the first half of May. Finland has announced that borders may be opened first half of May. Finland is going to adopt the smartphone app contact tracking system developed in Germany, which is similar to what has worked so well in South Korea. With aggressive testing and contact tracking, it is believed that restrictions can be mostly eliminated and life can get back to something like normal, with the caveat that there may be waves and waves of the virus and restrictions may have to be reintroduced from time to time quite probably through the end of next year if not longer.


As of today, sitting in a pretty Danish harbor basking in the sunlight, I am predicting with with a bit of hope that there will be something resembling normal cruising in the Northern Baltic this summer, but of course it's still too early to say for sure. Fingers crossed.

[tp12]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

This should be interesting to whoever it was in this thread who predicted that Sweden would lock down by now. Incidentally -- the fact that there is no legal lockdown or stay at home order does not indeed mean that people's behavior is the same as in non-epidemic times. On the contrary -- the Swedish policy depends on people following recommendations and taking their own measures, rather than being forced to do so by the state. And people are doing that, being sensible and careful while not disrupting their economic lives beyond what is really required. This would not work in many societies, but Nordic countries have an unusually high degree of social trust and civic discipline -- this crisis is showing the great strengths of these societies.

Hi Dockhead, that was me, though we both know you know that. And it was based on the article I quoted that they were preparing for it and you'll also note that I said they might not given their situation.


I note you've also said this, seemingly in contradiction:

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Sweden, which has no formal shutdown, is faring the worst among the Nordics, but even here the situation is far better than most of the rest of the world, and is showing good dynamics:

They're doing a lot worse than down here and are further behind the curve. In the last two days their deaths have increased by nearly 200. In Australia, nearly 20. Sweden and Australia aren't listed together on the worldometers page anymore, Sweden is building a gap.

[tp12]

And let me add that this is despite having a population 2/5s the size of Aus.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by tp12

Hi Dockhead, that was me, though we both know you know that. And it was based on the article I quoted that they were preparing for it and you'll also note that I said they might not given their situation.

I note you've also said this, seemingly in contradiction:

They're doing a lot worse than down here and are further behind the curve. In the last two days their deaths have increased by nearly 200. In Australia, nearly 20. Sweden and Australia aren't listed together on the worldometers page anymore, Sweden is building a gap.

Cheers; I didn't remember who it was.


I think that's quite normal prudent policy -- to steer whatever course seems right considering the real objective information, and at the same time prepare for the worst. That's surely what all smart governments do.


You again compare the situation in the Nordics with Australia, and I'll say again what I said before, which is that Australia is doing best of almost any country in the entire world. Australia is not an average or typical case, and with extremely low population density, and having just had summer rather than winter, is different in every possible way from Europe, so this comparison doesn't mean anything. Every country in the world would like to have stats like Australia's. I wish for all 'Stralians that it continues like that!!



But the Nordic stats are very decent, and a coherent plan for transitioning to other methods of dealing with the pandemic is crystallizing. The last half-week of stats are really good, especially in Sweden, where there has been a sharp decrease in both new cases and new deaths. Let's also hope it keeps going in that direction!!



The transition from stay-at-home and general shut down, which massacres the economy, to testing and tracking, like they did in S. Korea, is crucial to avoid total economic meltdown. Let's hope it comes sooner rather than later!

[tp12]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Cheers; I didn't remember who it was.

Hahaha, yeah ok.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I think that's quite normal prudent policy -- to steer whatever course seems right considering the real objective information, and at the same time prepare for the worst. That's surely what all smart governments do.

You again compare the situation in the Nordics with Australia, and I'll say again what I said before, which is that Australia is doing best of almost any country in the entire world. Australia is not an average or typical case, and with extremely low population density, and having just had summer rather than winter, is different in every possible way from Europe, so this comparison doesn't mean anything. Every country in the world would like to have stats like Australia's. I wish for all 'Stralians that it continues like that!!

It's very easy to discount examples that don't fit with your narrative. There were a number of responses to your original response, more than mine, which challenged your assumptions which you've seemed to ignore.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

But the Nordic stats are very decent, and a coherent plan for transitioning to other methods of dealing with the pandemic is crystallizing. The last half-week of stats are really good, especially in Sweden, where there has been a sharp decrease in both new cases and new deaths. Let's also hope it keeps going in that direction!!

No, there hasn't. At least, not according to the worldometers site. From ~400 deaths to nearly 600 deaths in two days you're calling that a sharp decrease. It isn't.

Originally Posted by Dockhead

The transition from stay-at-home and general shut down, which massacres the economy, to testing and tracking, like they did in S. Korea, is crucial to avoid total economic meltdown. Let's hope it comes sooner rather than later!

That may well be the case but that would involve Sweden changing their response and not maintaining their current trajectory. Which seems at odds with your previous commentary which appears to support their position.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by tp12

Hi Dockhead, that was me, though we both know you know that. And it was based on the article I quoted that they were preparing for it and you'll also note that I said they might not given their situation.


I note you've also said this, seemingly in contradiction:



They're doing a lot worse than down here and are further behind the curve. In the last two days their deaths have increased by nearly 200. In Australia, nearly 20. Sweden and Australia aren't listed together on the worldometers page anymore, Sweden is building a gap.

For there population they are doing very well - The sooner people come to realise and understand that people die - approximately 106,000 every day from various issues and you are talking about 20 or even 200 people!


Perth has had 3 deaths and a few hundred cases (mostly from a cruise ship that came in) and we are locked down pretty tight with drones and fines and restrictions on where/how far we can travel.


I know personally of many businesses that have gone under and more that are in trouble - The hospitals are not stressed as its not happening here - People need to get this virus and get over it as its not going away - What do you think if you lock down long enough it will magically go away? It won't it will just pop up and as no one has had it there is no immunity, so you want to stay lock downed forever and bankrupt the country so our children's children are paying it off?


Back to my original statement - People die - I know I have lost many friends and family members - It's not pleasant when it happens to you but it happens every day, day in day out the world over.