Photos of Anchors Setting

[onestepcsy37]

Beneteau 44? Looks exactly like a friends boat.

Noelex, thanks for enduring the cold to get that interesting series of pix. Have an extra ration of rum, or ouzo, and put it on my tab...

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by onestepcsy37

Beneteau 44? Looks exactly like a friends boat.

I think You mean Beneteau Oceanis 43? The number can be different in US however... It happened sometime for this brand.
Anyway - rather Beneteau Oceanis 40. The positioning of the "gate" in lifelines was different on both models, and I think the positioning of hull ports is right for 40, but this I'm not so sure, as the photo is taken at an angle.

Oh, and remember Noelex described the boat as being "small".
Oceanis 43 is not so small a boat...
And with this number of hull ports and the shape of saloon "window" it surely is not 37.

[noelex 77]

This was a side on photo, as requested, taken today from the water.
Also an underwater view to show you what the fish see. Looks menacing.

[noelex 77]

This was the Ultra today. The wind overnight was light so it has not changed much, but has now rotated a full 180, levelled out a little and started to dig in slightly more in response to the pull from a steady direction.

In the second photo you can see the original drag mark above the anchor parallel to the chain.

It looks like they are spending another night. Still at 3:1. There is loads of swinging room.

[David1]

Thank you for the update on the Ultra. I feel as if I have my own E Med drone, as I only have to make a few key strokes and reconnaissance photos appear!
Not wishing strong winds on anyone in the anchorage but it would be interesting to see the Ultra's set develop if the wind were to freshen.

I think I'm correct in saying 3:1 in 7m is "worse" than 3:1 in 20m?

[monte]

Indeed it takes a lot more force to pull 60m of chain straight than 21m..until the chain is actually lifting the shank, the holding power is the same

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by David1

I think I'm correct in saying 3:1 in 7m is "worse" than 3:1 in 20m?

Originally Posted by monte

Indeed it takes a lot more force to pull 60m of chain straight than 21m..until the chain is actually lifting the shank, the holding power is the same

[noelex 77]

This Delta was dropped by a private Italian yacht. They stayed overnight. 8m 4:1.

As you can see it has almost no setting force applied. There is little drag mark. This does not tell us much about the anchor.

[noelex 77]

This was another Delta. It was dropped by a private yacht that stayed overnight. 7m @ 6:1.

It has set better than is typical for this anchor, no doubt due to the softer sand here. The fluke is almost buried, including the underside, although the distance taken to set is still quite long.

Overall a good result that gives the impression it will bury completely with a bit more force.

[noelex 77]

My mermaid had a fun time exploring underwater today. We are anchored off an uninhabited island. The seabed is littered with terracotta pots, many of the larger segments matching the curves of amphorae. This very cute octopus was found inhabiting the neck of one:








This image below from Wikipedia shows how the intact object may have originally looked.

"Amphorae designed for marine transport, taken from shipwrecks of the Bronze Age, on display in the Museum of Underwater Archaeology at Bodrum Castle, Turkey. The museum archaeologists have devised a rack and roping device to illustrate how the cargo might have been kept from shifting.
......
They were produced on an industrial scale until approximately the 7th century AD. Wooden and skin containers seem to have supplanted amphorae thereafter":

[darylat8750]

Once again thanks Noelex for your and your Mermaid's efforts.

I notice that you and a good portion of the other anchors you record use floats (or sometimes just a floating line) attached to the roll bar or upper part of the shank. In one of the pictures of yours the line to the float was rapped around and / or under the shank. Apparently from wind changes? Have you seen any break outs or failure to reset do to the float line?

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

This was a side on photo, as requested, taken today from the water.

Quite surely it is Beneteau Oceanis 40.
Thank You for photo

Using the Ultra 21 kg for this boat is in accordance with Ultra sizing chart.
Unhappily it is not first time I see undersized recommendation in Ultra sizing chart.
In my own opinion the 27 kg Ultra is the proper size for Med mooring on this yacht and barely adequate as all-round cruising anchor.

21 kg Ultra is (for me, of course) insufficient anchor for this boat.
On the other hand, in conditions described, poor set had nothing to do with the size of the anchor. Still, the undersized anchor was probably more prone to listing in rotation, I would assume.

Cheers,

Tomasz

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by darylat8750

I notice that you and a good portion of the other anchors you record use floats (or sometimes just a floating line) attached to the roll bar or upper part of the shank.

A floating line, or line and float is very common and I think it is a good idea. It means you can still find the anchor in thick weed, or when completely buried.

When the anchor is dropped there is some risk the line can get trapped under the fluke, but I don't think it has any practical impact on the performance if this occurs. Be careful that the line or knot is not bulky.

I would be a bit cautious when using one on an anchor design with a pivoting fluke like a Danforth as it could interfere with the hinging mechanism.

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

21 kg Ultra is (for me, of course) insufficient anchor for this boat.

Agreed I would go bigger again than 27 kg. There is a lot of extra security for only a few more kilos.

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

Agreed I would go bigger again than 27 kg. There is a lot of extra security for only a few more kilos.

Next one in production line is 35 kg
May be a tad overkill, but would work even as heavy storm anchor with decent safety margin.
I looked through production lines and think that for this particular boat Mantus 29,5 kg, Spade 30 kg or Excel 30 kg are the best compromise