Manson Supreme Rock Slot - Part 1

[skipmac]

Due to questions about the Rocna I am looking more closely at the Manson Supreme but have questions also about the Manson, specifically the Rock Slot.

There appear to be two issues with the Rock Slot. First can the design possibly cause the anchor to trip inadvertently if the boat shifts 180 degrees. Second, does the wide shank of the Rock Slot design fit on your boat, roller, etc?

So, Question 1.

Do you like the theory and design of the Rock Slot or not? Feel free to elaborate. Do you think it could cause the anchor to trip, do you think it will really help retrieve a stuck anchor, any other questions or concerns.

Question 2

Will the wide shank of the Manson fit your boat?

[s/v 'Faith']

It is a non-issue. There are two attachment points, no one seems to use the rock slot...

... all the extra steel does is add strength.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

There are two attachment points, no one seems to use the rock slot...

Interesting point. Is there anyone out there that actually connects to and uses the Rock Slot?

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

... all the extra steel does is add strength.

Exactly, but I would prefer the extra steel consolidated in a narrower shank so it would fit my bow roller better.

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

It is a non-issue.

Well it is a non-issue as far as strength, and avoiding the potential for tripping the anchor via the slot. But for some it is an issue in that the wide shank won't fit their boat.

[Cormorant]

The rock slot seems more suited to fishing boats, who might drop anchor in three or four places in a day. Cruisers tend to drop anchor once and stay overnight. If I were fishing over a possibly foul bottom for an hour or two, I would use the slot. For overnight -- never.

[Jim Cate]

We've been using a 60 lb MS for a few years now, quite happy with it. My use of the slot is to keep a big shackle in it, and when anchoring in dubious bottoms, attach a trip line to it. The chain is permanently attached to the other hole in the shank. No worries about fitting on our boat.

Cheers,

[Tripod]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

We've been using a 60 lb MS for a few years now, quite happy with it. My use of the slot is to keep a big shackle in it, and when anchoring in dubious bottoms, attach a trip line to it. The chain is permanently attached to the other hole in the shank. No worries about fitting on our boat.

Cheers,

+1 This is how I use the slot. Trip line only, never the rode. Fits our roller just fine.

[Matt Johnson]

I have a 35lb Manson and have yet to use the rock slot. I would not feel safe using that for overnight, but for a quick lunch with an unknown bottom, it would get used. I have no issue with it fitting my bow roller.

[skipmac]

NOTE TO ALL:

This is a two part poll so you can vote twice, once for each question.

[sailorboy1]

I asked the same question about the rock slot a little while ago. Got a lot of "you must be stupid" type of responses. While I haven't used the rock slot I don't think I would have a problem in the right conditions where I didn't expect to spin around and if the bottom was good for resetting in general. If you believe the design is a fast setter then you also should believe if it releases due to a swing around that it is going to reset again. Besides I'm going to have my anchor alarm set anyway. I do like the trip line idea!

Far as the Ronca vs Manson. I was all set to buy a Ronca but then just got turned off over the trash talk. So researched the MS and decided it was probably at least as good. And since I was getting the next size up it didn't matter anyway (the MS 60# was about the same price as the 40# Ronca so it just seemed a no brainer once I got past the market BS that we are all questioning now as being true).

[skipmac]

Hi Don,

Guess I should have done a search. Didn't realize you had already covered this ground.

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

I asked the same question about the rock slot a little while ago. Got a lot of "you must be stupid" type of responses.

I can think of so many smarta$$ comments I could make but I will resist. You really shouldn't tempt me with a straight line line this.

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

I do like the trip line idea!

Yes, me too. But see previous comment. Can do it better without the slot.

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

So researched the MS and decided it was probably at least as good. And since I was getting the next size up it didn't matter anyway (the MS 60# was about the same price as the 40# Ronca so it just seemed a no brainer once I got past the market BS that we are all questioning now as being true).

Yep, me too.

[Delfin]

I believe the slot was included because Manson sells a lot of anchors where coral is common, and where coral is common, jamming the anchor so that it can't be hauled straight up is also common. For fishermen anchoring a lot, messing with a trip line isn't appealing, hence the idea of using the main rode for removal of a stuck anchor. I've been anchoring for 35 years in the NW and never had that problem. In Hawaii, we only anchored for a few months so I don't think that was enough experience to form an opinion.

Interestingly, Rocna always trashed the slot in the Manson, until they started making their own, calling it the Fisherman, which is an indication of the market they are going after. And no, they do not have a patent since the Rocna is a copy of the Bugel.

The deeper and stronger shank could be a problem with the Manson in some situations I suppose, but they will send you the dimensions so you can measure and be sure.

[s/v 'Faith']

Originally Posted by Delfin

I believe the slot was included because Manson sells a lot of anchors where coral is common, and where coral is common, jamming the anchor so that it can't be hauled straight up is also common. For fishermen anchoring a lot, messing with a trip line isn't appealing, hence the idea of using the main rode for removal of a stuck anchor. I've been anchoring for 35 years in the NW and never had that problem. In Hawaii, we only anchored for a few months so I don't think that was enough experience to form an opinion.

Interestingly, Rocna always trashed the slot in the Manson, until they started making their own, calling it the Fisherman, which is an indication of the market they are going after. And no, they do not have a patent since the Rocna is a copy of the Bugel.

The deeper and stronger shank could be a problem with the Manson in some situations I suppose, but they will send you the dimensions so you can measure and be sure.

This is a tough time for the Rocna fans, we need to have compassion on those who are still clinging to the promises made in the slick add in 'Sail'....

Good news it that West Marine is accepting ROCNA's back... there is no shame in taking it. It is not charity, it is the money YOU paid in... you should not hang your head when you go in to return your Rocna.... (just call ahead) to make sure they have the Manson in stock...

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[aclmck]

i dont have a MS but do have a SARCA it has a rock slot, (although not the same anchor still fairly similar) have used this anchor for 3 years and never had a problem of it releasing. i get the anchor caught about 15-20% of the time in the areas i anchor (mostly rock and reef) and use this slot on every occasion. have anchored many times for 2-3 days and not ever had to worry, it may have released but reset so i have not even noticed.

[mrohr]

I have the ms ,fits well where old cqr did ,I do use the slot in iffy bottoms,but have reservations about it tripping inadvertently over night in a wind/tide shift so have considered lashing small stuff strong enough to turn anchor in any shift and yet break free if anchor fouls thus enabling me to try out the slot function.Maybe some of you can try out this idea and report back,it seems every time I experiment I get into trouble.