Whale Collision near Japan - Merged

[Coops]

Well, it does say that "the smart ones do not mention it" So if you do........

Coops.

[cfarrar]

Since Scoobert is having fun, I offer this as humor (certainly not as argument)!

Sailors don't need science. We only need faith in our boat, our crew, and Neptune if we cross the equator.

Until it gets dark and the seas grow restless. Then we'll still pray to Neptune, but as an insurance policy we'll say something nice about our boat designer and that structural engineering stuff. And the chemists at Dupont, cause it would be unfortunate if the epoxy in the hull turned water soluble during the night. Hopefully the folks at Yanmar know about thermodynamics and the guys at Mastervolt studied electrical engineering, since fires at sea are a real bummer. As we approach the coastline we'll think nice thoughts about the NIMA geeks who understand geodicies and all else behind accurate cartography.

Still, we don't need science, because if misfortune strikes we'll do what sailors have done since the days of the Phoenicians: climb into our raft, identify the North Star, and collect our bearings. Then... we'll fire off the EPIRB, establish a GPS fix within 3 feet, contact the GOES satellite network, and await rescue from a night-vision equipped HH-60, all the while praying to Neptune, because as everyone knows the science behind this stuff is purely subjective!

[gtunison]

Being a whale seems preferable to me. They don't need science or boats to enjoy the sea that supports us all.
Aren't twinkies made with whale blubber?

[Teknav]

Ambergris is what perfume makers use as a matrix (stabilizer) for their scents. Ambergris is a waxy substance secreted by sperm whales from their intestines; very expensive. If you happen to find a block of it while walking on the beach, you can make a fortune by selling it.

Mauritz

[gtunison]

The one time I looked a whale straight in the eye was on a glass calm Gulfo de Cali. Spotted the juvenile loner about 300 yards astern as we difted. It was CBDR until it surfaced, looked at me then swam under Zuiva, a '63 Columbia 24 and went on its way. We were about equal in size. Seemed like the little creature was looking for its mommy.

[SmartMove]

Originally Posted by cfarrar

Scoobert, I view whales differently, mainly because they're part of an vital ecological system but also for my own subjective reasons. I also hold a different view of demographics and the wisdom of 3 billion Americans. Again, my concerns center on ecological systems, not just food supplies but also energy, carbon, water, pollutants, species diversity, etc, though I admit I also have subjective views about balancing population with quality of life.

I respect your views, but I would be more persuaded if you gave a little consideration to Little's points (and scientific thinking, generally). I wonder if you see these logical fallacies?

[*]The biologist is wrong because I don't trust his motive, and Little is wrong because his motives are similar to those of a murderer I read about (ad hominem and reductio ad absurdem)[*]We can save whales or children, not both (false dichotomy)[*]Efforts to limit human population will lead to forced sterilization (reductio ad absurdem)[*]Human population is limited only by land area/food supply, not other ecological constraints (unwarranted assumption)


Here's to whales and people.

+++++++1, nicely said!

[SmartMove]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I thought the full moon was over...I'm wondering were CF has gone these days with all this side ways posting.

This one went waaaaaay sideways!

[bobconnie]

My family worked in the whaleing trade. If any of ya ever smelled a whaleing station in operation, you would never feel the same about killing whales ! Personaly I feel Im useing their waters to enjoy my life! I hope to continue useing their waters without any troubles!! But I would never feel I was in the right if sunk by a whale!! It's thier home and I hope to continue to share it as we have for over 30 yrs, without anything but great siteings and some close contacts, which did no damage !!!

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by bobconnie

My family worked in the whaleing trade.

i have always wanted to try whale meat.
are you from the arctic?
that whale wussie was up there, drove his boat about, and did nothing.

we are apex, we own the oceans, and everything in it. we are man.

[Sir Rondo Normal]

Originally Posted by scoobert

we are apex, we own the oceans, and everything in it. we are man.

Please don't include yourself in with the rest of us.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Sir Rondo Normal

Please don't include yourself in with the rest of us.

ok, we (with the exception of sir rondo normal) are men.

[Sir Rondo Normal]

Ok now we know you are definitely joking. lol

[scoobert]

yes, i like having fun sometimes. i still think this whole whale thing is overdone.
and there are buku(another spelling of beaucoup) whales.

[Sir Rondo Normal]

is this an example of buku?
Haida Gwaii Whale Watching Biologists Spot Rare Species

There are not a lot of whales left. Some are harder to find than others but all are important. Much more important in the grand scheme of things (the natural environment and food chain) than either you, I or the vast majority of the human race. That is not a joke.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Sir Rondo Normal

is this an example of buku?
Haida Gwaii Whale Watching Biologists Spot Rare Species

There are not a lot of whales left. Some are harder to find than others but all are important. Much more important in the grand scheme of things (the natural environment and food chain) than either you, I or the vast majority of the human race. That is not a joke.

we have right whales over here by cape cod. we can UPS you some?