Bounty sinking official report!

[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by jkleins

You can call the captain a fool all you want and it doesn't explain how he spent the rest of his life without people noticing that fact....



Jim

But Jim, if I made the same decision and killed someone you and everyone on the forum would call me a fool!




Mark

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

But Jim, if I made the same decision and killed someone you and everyone on the forum would call me a fool!




Mark

And I bet you wouldn't mind a bit!

[nigel1]

Originally Posted by jkleins

You can call the captain a fool all you want and it doesn't explain how he spent the rest of his life without people noticing that fact nor why if the decision was so clearly apparent did the crew follow him in this foolish endeavor. Were they fools too?


Jim

You are only as good as your last balls up. Unfair, yes, but that is the way of it.

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by nigel1

You are only as good as your last balls up. Unfair, yes, but that is the way of it.

These words should be hanging on a plaque at every skippers desk.

[jkleins]

Originally Posted by nigel1

You are only as good as your last balls up. Unfair, yes, but that is the way of it.

i agree it may be what is said here and by others who do not have a stake in this so are free to throw out stuff that makes them feel better but doesn't really affect anything.

People who care about performance don't think like that. It is impossible to go your entire life making reasonable decisions and then when you make a bad one be a "fool". You have made a bad a decision and there were reasons for it that an investigation might not be able to uncover. For people who are actually charged with improving the safety of ships and crew it has to be very disappointing that the investigation was unable to uncover that reason.

I disagree with you MarkJ. If you made a decision that killed someone I wouldn't call you a fool. You have done too many other things right to just assume that. That's not to say I would vote against keelhauling given the right circumstances though.

Jim

[MarkJ]

Just dont keelhaul me under my own boat. That could hurt. It needs a haul out

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by jkleins

That's not to say I would vote against keelhauling given the right circumstances though.

Jim

Would mixing a poor quality margarita be the right circumstances?

[BandB]

I think calling someone a fool is a poor choice of words. I would say they acted very irresponsibly. And in the case of a Captain with the responsibility of a crew and/or passengers that irresponsible act becomes a criminal offense in endangering the lives of others.

If you're driving your car, you're sober, you're within the speed limit, and you run a red light for some reason resulting in an accident, then that's just what it is, an "Accident."

But if you're a bus driver, with the appropriate license and you're hauling a group of people as part of your job. They don't need to go anywhere tonight but you want to get there. Conditions are horrible, tornado warnings, high winds. The bus is old, the tires are worn and barely legal if they are, the steering is pulling indicating wheel alignment problems. You take off into the area of the tornado warning. You're the only vehicle on the road. You can't see with the wind and rain and you drive 30 mph over the speed limit. Between the wind and the rain you drive off the road resulting in the loss of your life and one more and critical injuries to others. Then I'd charge you with a criminal act. That's not an accident. Thats a group of horrible choices that you, as a professional, should have known could lead to a wreck and loss of life.

This isn't disparaging the life or character of the man. This is characterizing the decisions he made versus reasonable standards for a man in his position. This isn't the type mistake we all make every day. This is a conscious and overt act putting lives in danger.